Cheerleaders: Respect the Guests!

[DisneyDragon]

Neither one is a sport...you have to be talented to do both and you have to be athletic to do both....but neither is a sport.

Unless you start scoring points if opposing bands fight it out, UFC-style, but with weapons...sorry, instruments. I can see it now...

"The first flutes are engaging each other, spin, thrust, turn, dodge, ho, parry..." "Never have we seen such a clash of French Horns as we are today." "Tonight on ESPN 8 - the Ocho - Can a Sax take a Tuba?"

Actually, I once saw a proof that baseball is not a sport, but technically a game because the players aren't in direct opposition of the other players. I am looking for the reference as we speak. For real sports, like Hockey or Football or Football (not a typo) - it's not a question.

 

[Master Yoda]

Unless you start scoring points if opposing bands fight it out, UFC-style, but with weapons...sorry, instruments. I can see it now...

"The first flutes are engaging each other, spin, thrust, turn, dodge, ho, parry..." "Never have we seen such a clash of French Horns as we are today." "Tonight on ESPN 8 - the Ocho - Can a Sax take a Tuba?"

Actually, I once saw a proof that baseball is not a sport, but technically a game because the players aren't in direct opposition of the other players. I am looking for the reference as we speak. For real sports, like Hockey or Football or Football (not a typo) - it's not a question.

George Carlin had a great bit on why sports were sports and everything else was a game or an activity.

Here is a link. ***NOTE THIS ARTICLE CONTAINS OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE***
http://www.boredatuni.com/stuff.php?stuffId=11

 

[lilclerk]

George Carlin had a great bit on why sports were sports and everything else was a game or an activity.

Here is a link. ***NOTE THIS ARTICLE CONTAINS OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE***
http://www.boredatuni.com/stuff.php?stuffId=11

This conversation brought that bit to my mind as well.

 

[Gucci65]

Neither one is a sport...you have to be talented to do both and you have to be athletic to do both....but neither is a sport.

And you would know because??????? Competition cheerleading is a sport. Friday is the only day my daughter is not in the gym. At 15 she is cut. At a whooping 104 lbs, she could probably bench press you!!:lol:

CLANING: And you stuck the landing right? Very impressive, even if accidental.

SLAPPY: We have choreography and music as well. BUT no polyester uniforms. BUT five thousand pounds of makeup which they are told to
wear so they don't look washed out by the lights..........

 

[palmage]

And you would know because??????? Competition cheerleading is a sport. Friday is the only day my daughter is not in the gym. At 15 she is cut. At a whooping 104 lbs, she could probably bench press you!!:lol:

CLANING: And you stuck the landing right? Very impressive, even if accidental.

SLAPPY: We have choreography and music as well. BUT no polyester uniforms. BUT five thousand pounds of makeup which they are told to
wear so they don't look washed out by the lights..........

It's a competition not a sport, as soon as "judges" are involved it leaves the sporting world.
Now I'm not saying cheerleaders aren't athletes, because they most certainly are.
Bandjos on the other hand are no where near athletes.

 

[Gucci65]

It's a competition not a sport, as soon as "judges" are involved it leaves the sporting world.
Now I'm not saying cheerleaders aren't athletes, because they most certainly are.
Bandjos on the other hand are no where near athletes.

So you say.:kiss:

I know what I see every day and I just read the definition in Websters - yes cheerleading is a sport.

Judges are there to let you know that you hit everything perfectly or not. The one with the most perfect routine wins.

There are judges in football as well. I watched enough football games (esp the ones on TV) to wonder IF that ball did actually break the plane. A ref (a/k/a Line Judge) decides during a review.............:lol:

 

[ncgolfer]

Cheerleading is most certainely a sport! It allows overweight moms to vicariousely live thru their children mysteriously overlooking the overtly sexual routines their little princesses so proudly perform daily!

 

[sandicinderelli]

Ok..I have a somewhat unique perspective here.

First: My credentials::

I was in some sort of marching band most of my life. Grade School, High School, and then eventually the University of Wisconsin Marching Band. I have done a TON of traveling with cheerleaders as part of a group representing a school.

Second, I have been to Disney a few times when cheer competitions were going on.

Okay - now.....I hold true to the belief that if you are traveling with a large group of people you have to represent not only your particular organization, but to your school/university and to yourselves. You always have to remember you are only one piece of a bigger puzzle. We were always told that there was a time and place for fun, and a time and place to be all business. Anytime we were by ourselves we could relax a little bit. If we were out in public, we were expected to act certain ways. I witnessed people get sent home on a greyhound for making hotel security angry.

Now, if those cheerleaders were on their own bus and wanted to cheer, that would be fine. However, if I'm on that bus and I have my 1-year old daughter sleeping on my shoulder and they're shouting at the top of their lungs, you better believe I have and will say something. At that point where your own logic can't tell you it's late for some people on that bus maybe it's time for you to not go out as a representative.

I have NOTHING against cheerleaders. In fact, as a member of a band, and the "band geek" persona, I can see how it's not always easy being part of a group that is largely on the outside of what is going on. Your job is to back up your team and your school. If you are there for a team competition, save the yelling for when it counts.

I have heard WAY too many negative reports about cheerleaders on these boards in the last few years. In fact, my wife and I now go out of our way to stay away from cheerleader season, because my wife knows I go absolutely crazy with the way their "group mentality" makes them think they can act.

Now, if you are a cheerleader - take this in mind. It only takes those few bad apples to wreck it for ALL of you. A guest can have one bad experience and complain to somebody about it. If Disney gets enough complaints, you can bet they'll think twice about continuing to host the competition, as it's not good from a PR standpoint. You want people to respect not only you but the sport and competition you love? Be professional. Be exactly what you signed up to be...be a bigger piece of the puzzle. Be adult. If you respect others, they will be more tolerant and have an easier time respecting you. If you disrespect others, you not only do not belong at someplace like WDW as a representative, but you do not belong as a cheerleader, because you are deliberately and maliciously going AGAINST everything that cheerleaders stand for.

Very, very well said!

If it were me (God forbid), I'd probably pretend that I am interested in knowing where they came from, but then do some research and write a letter directly to the school principal and CC: Walt Disney World AND their school superintendent's office. Sometimes embarrassment is the best way to get through to some people.

Leave the cheering at the competition floor, not in the parks.

 

[fkflintstone]

Cheerleaders!

Cheerleaders would be the reason I wont do another trip in Dec.The decorations are great but the roaming packs of cheerleaders filling busses to capacity ,swearing,being generally loud at inapropriate times will make me pick another time.

 

[kasey1988]

Ive been to disney three times and thankdfully never had a run in with cheerleading groups. I use to be a cheerleader and our coach would never let us act like that in public, or we would pay for it later with push ups. But i dont think its only cheerleaders, im iffy about going back int he first few weeks of may because of the large groups of school trips, often with no adults with them, except for at night when they were doing the head count by the pool. They were similar to the cheerleaders ont he busses, very loud! But when you have high school seniors, you also have lots of swearing and i saw two full out making out on the bus back to the resort.

 

[palmage]

Cheerleading is most certainely a sport! It allows overweight moms to vicariousely live thru their children mysteriously overlooking the overtly sexual routines their little princesses so proudly perform daily!

Oh that's too funny:lol: :lol:
Not a sport

Nope nope nope

 

[slappy magoo]

Neither one is a sport...you have to be talented to do both and you have to be athletic to do both....but neither is a sport.

Hey, zi'm not definitively saying Marching Band is a sport. I'm just saying it's a grueling activity, like cheerleading, & if anyone thinks cheerleading is a sport, THEN Marching Band is a sport.

 

[Gucci65]

Cheerleading is most certainely a sport! It allows overweight moms to vicariousely live thru their children mysteriously overlooking the overtly sexual routines their little princesses so proudly perform daily!

Wow - you're so right. A standing backtuck is so sexual.

**Edited - due to lack of interest ***

 

[Fievel]

uhh...The standing backtuck isn't the problem...it's the hip gyrating you're seeing happening on a younger and younger level. I'm fine with college and pro cheerleaders doing it...but when you have high school girls doing it, it's time to rethink things.

Oh, and my last word on the sport thing. I was a member of various marching bands for 13 years and it is NOT a sport....and neither is cheerleading. Just because somebody made up a "competition" for it doesn't make it a sport. There are chess "competitions". Do you have to be athletic? Yes. Is it a sport. No way. This is coming from the inside.

 

[Gucci65]

uhh...The standing backtuck isn't the problem...it's the hip gyrating you're seeing happening on a younger and younger level. I'm fine with college and pro cheerleaders doing it...but when you have high school girls doing it, it's time to rethink things.

Oh, and my last word on the sport thing. I was a member of various marching bands for 13 years and it is NOT a sport....and neither is cheerleading. Just because somebody made up a "competition" for it doesn't make it a sport. There are chess "competitions". Do you have to be athletic? Yes. Is it a sport. No way. This is coming from the inside.

Whatever.....you have your opinion and I have mine. Thats what is cool about these boards. People who say cheerleading isn't a sport is because they don't have the physical ability to do it. A three minute routine starts off with tumbling, goes in stunts, a 10 second cheer (while dancing), more tumbling, more stunting and then a dance sequence at a very fast pace. Whatever....tomato, tomatoe.........whatever.

I don't know if it is just in the South, but in high school OR on a competition team we are not allowed to gyrate/thrust hips/anything that could be interpreted as sexual. The only thing you could even remotely call sexy is the bare midrift or the sparkly bloomers you will see when the kids are tumbling.

Hey yal have a great day!!!!!!!!!

 

[JimboJones123]

Gee... sounds like you just got back from Pop Warner week!!!

Yes, they are a bit too much, but what can you expect... they are away from home, some for the first time, many without parents, with minimum chaparones. They are traveling in large groups... they only have to compete for a certain amount of time and then they get to play... away from school for a whole week (which MY mother would have seen me dead before I got to take a whole week of school off close to finals...)

And I hate to break it to lots of people out there... lots of the kids that were there last year were just downright obnoxious!!! (not all...many were just fine, but those were the ones who were actually traveling with their families...)

Of course the roomfull of girls next to us who insisted on binging and purging and the other teenager who somehow got her hands on a case of beer, were just wonderful...

I know that this isn't the total experience when they have events like this, but Disney needed more security around to prevent them from running out into traffic, practicing in the parking lots (not blocked off for that reason - but VERY close to hitting my rental car over and over where ever I parked it...)

That said - I'm not planning on doing the beginning of Dec again....

Come On -- This is why these "enabler" parents are going on the trip for the first place. Not only to drink themselves, but to provide to their kids. Even the 11 year olds. How does a teen get beer. Mommy buys it and lets her pretend she got it on her own... or makes her brag that "Mommy is so cool".

Did nobody else have these friends whose parents did this? Pre-teen drinking isn't anything new.

I will go out on a limb and may offend, but it doesn't lead to better habits or decisions in the future. I won't go into any more details than that. But my Friends with overly drink-friendly parents seemed to have more legal and social "problems" than others. But this is a non-scientific poll, so what do I know.

 

[shoppingnut]

All I know is that after experiencing part of Pop Warner week about 8 years ago, I always checked the calendar to see when they are going to be there and plan my vacation at another time in December to avoid them. The behaviour was bad back then, so you can't tell me these are the same groups today. I also have no problem calling and complaining when it is warranted because this is MY vacation too which I paid good money for and no one is going to ruin it.

 

[Master Yoda]

Whatever.....you have your opinion and I have mine. Thats what is cool about these boards. People who say cheerleading isn't a sport is because they don't have the physical ability to do it. A three minute routine starts off with tumbling, goes in stunts, a 10 second cheer (while dancing), more tumbling, more stunting and then a dance sequence at a very fast pace. Whatever....tomato, tomatoe.........whatever.

I don't know if it is just in the South, but in high school OR on a competition team we are not allowed to gyrate/thrust hips/anything that could be interpreted as sexual. The only thing you could even remotely call sexy is the bare midrift or the sparkly bloomers you will see when the kids are tumbling.
Hey yal have a great day!!!!!!!!!

This is kind of a recent development. I think it was Texas that started to regulate overly suggestive routines done by some of the high-school and younger cheer-leading teams. From there it has kind of spread throughout the nation.

The only reason I even know this is occurred shortly after my daughters karate demonstration team along with a couple of cheer-leading squads from Jr high did an event at one of the local public schools here in Jacksonville. After the cheer-leading squads did their routines my daughters sensei turned to me and said "Man, all that was missing from that was the pole and a 2 drink minimum"

At least at that time there clearly was a problem with many cheer-leading squads performing routines that were way too suggestive.

 

[Master Yoda]

Come On -- This is why these "enabler" parents are going on the trip for the first place. Not only to drink themselves, but to provide to their kids. Even the 11 year olds. How does a teen get beer. Mommy buys it and lets her pretend she got it on her own... or makes her brag that "Mommy is so cool".

Did nobody else have these friends whose parents did this? Pre-teen drinking isn't anything new.

I will go out on a limb and may offend, but it doesn't lead to better habits or decisions in the future. I won't go into any more details than that. But my Friends with overly drink-friendly parents seemed to have more legal and social "problems" than others. But this is a non-scientific poll, so what do I know.

You won't offend me because I have seen the same things myself. It takes a strong kid to break the bad habits of their parents. In most cases they fall into the same bad habits and of course blame their parents for their misery.

 

[JimboJones123]

This is kind of a recent development. I think it was Texas that started to regulate overly suggestive routines done by some of the high-school and younger cheer-leading teams. From there it has kind of spread throughout the nation.

The only reason I even know this is occurred shortly after my daughters karate demonstration team along with a couple of cheer-leading squads from Jr high did an event at one of the local public schools here in Jacksonville. After the cheer-leading squads did their routines my daughters sensei turned to me and said "Man, all that was missing from that was the pole and a 2 drink minimum"

At least at that time there clearly was a problem with many cheer-leading squads performing routines that were way too suggestive.

I remember this starting in Texas a few years back. It started w/______-Wee. For the under middle school age. The Middle Schoolers could still shake w/the best of them. Guess it's grown bigger since. Good to see that the 12 year olds are no longer looking to ______ the _____ as to better ______. It was always weird in school.

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