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TrainsOfDisney

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Okay but that's not the question, is it?

The question is not "is Mount Fuji awesome?" I'm sure it is. The question is "is Mount Fuji so exceptionally awesome and so much better than all the other alternatives that it justifies the additional time, hassle, and expense to get there?"
you do seem to have a weird thing against Japan - I haven’t met anyone who went there and didn’t just rave about it.

By all means if Europe or other locations are higher on your list - go there. Disneyland Paris and the steam trains in England are next on my personal list.

But Japan looks like an incredible place to visit no matter what you are interested in.
 

DisneyHead123

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Okay but that's not the question, is it?

The question is not "is Mount Fuji awesome?" I'm sure it is. The question is "is Mount Fuji so exceptionally awesome and so much better than all the other alternatives that it justifies the additional time, hassle, and expense to get there?"
I am somewhat sympathetic to your point of view because this is how I feel about NYC - people just looooove it and I honestly don't get it. So much concrete everywhere! And if someone said "Oh, but go visit Central Park if you want nature! Or go upstate!" I would have the same response as you - I could do that elsewhere, why do I have to seek out New York specifically?

That said, I think the reason you're getting a lot of pushback here is that there is going to be a ton of overlap between people who think Disney is great and people who think Japan is great. Honestly if you Venn diagrammed it I suspect the circles would almost overlap. This is just my impression as someone who knows of Japan largely through what I've absorbed in pop culture but it all seems so - extra! Cuter, cooler, more "Oooo, neato!!" factor in everything. Even the vending machines are cool. It looks like there are cool, unique, and immersive museums and exhibits all over the place. Unbelievable interactive art museums. Mario Karts driving through the streets! Rainbow grilled cheese sandwiches! It just goes on an on. For anything you can think of, from the cool to the mundane, if you Google it going "I wonder if Japan has a more technologically advanced and cuter version of this thing?" - the answer is yes, yes they do.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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I am somewhat sympathetic to your point of view because this is how I feel about NYC - people just looooove it and I honestly don't get it. So much concrete everywhere!
I love NYC for the broadway shows, historic buildings, and museums. It also has a pretty fascinating and extensive public transportation system.

But it’s a pretty expensive vacation destination and unless there was something specific you really want to see (like a broadway show) it wouldn’t be on the top of my list for a vacation.
 

DisneyHead123

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I love NYC for the broadway shows, historic buildings, and museums. It also has a pretty fascinating and extensive public transportation system.

But it’s a pretty expensive vacation destination and unless there was something specific you really want to see (like a broadway show) it wouldn’t be on the top of my list for a vacation.
I do think there’s a lot to do there - big cities just aren’t my thing, unless they have quainter historical areas like DC or Philly. Thinks it’s a great place, just don’t particularly want to go there. Tokyo I think is different because there are so many Disney-esque elements (or appear to be, anyways.)
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
What about the wooden escalators in the Macy’s? Those are the same escalators George Washington took to buy his wig!
True story…

There was a department store in Morristown, NJ…which has since been demolished and replaced with condos (Epsteins…if I recall?) that i was in the sub basement years ago that had some storage rooms/caves that dated from the 1780s where the continental army was known to store supplies.

You want to talk about a surreal feel? We were standing were the General was during winter camp doing review…
 
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doctornick

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Heard. On the flight to Japan when I went to Tokyo Disney, I was reading about how Japan is the least English-speaking country in the world. I had a mild panic attack.


Since there’s lots of talk about Japan, I wanted to comment on this point. I’ve travelled a good bit internationally (somewhere in the range of 35-40 different countries) and I always learn at least the basics of the native language before I visit a place. Y’know hello, thank you, please, where is…?, one/two/three, etc.

So with that in mind, I will say that when I went to Tokyo I did find it to be the least English place I have ever been to (this was in the early 2000's for context so I'm not sure if it has changed). I was actually quite taken aback given how cosmopolitan the city is. It also doesn't help that it isn't exactly easy to read the Japanese characters on signs and such. But finding people willing or able to communicate in English was really difficult to us. Now, that's not a criticism - in no way should people be obligated to speak English - but it definitely was a bit surprising at how insular Japan was. Especially given how popular some American things - like Disney! - are there. In hindsight, I suppose I shouldn't have been so surprised given their status as a wealthy technologically advanced island, but I would definitely caution anyone who is visiting there to be prepared to have some communication issues.

Probably not an issue when visiting TDL of course but that's a different animal anyway.
 
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C33Mom

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…But finding people willing or able to communicate in English was really difficult to us. Now, that's not a criticism - in no way should people be obligated to speak English - but it definitely was a bit surprising at how insular Japan was. Especially given how popular some American things - like Disney! - are there. In hindsight, I suppose I shouldn't have been so surprised given their status as a wealthy technologically advanced island, but I would definitely caution anyone who is visiting there to be prepared to have some communication issues.

Probably not an issue when visiting TDL of course but that's a different animal anyway.
Don’t be so sure about Disney parks there. We went to TDR for the first time in 2013 (my final Disney parks to visit at the time) and were surprised at the limited English compared to HK and Paris (admittedly, HK was British for a century and I am a francophone) but we are world travelers, decent mimes, and had learned a handful of basic phrases in Japanese and still could not figure out how/where to buy water on a hot day in the parks. We ended up with some sort of iced tea and also something we joke to this day tasted like nasty sweat, before giving up and sticking to western branded sodas we recognized. We made sure to learn the word for water before our subsequent visits. I do think English signage has gotten better and you can point to menu items in English at each QS or TS location.

Despite our language barriers, we loved the parks and have stayed for longer trips (leaving the Tokyo area) each time we visit. There’s a reason that everybody who loves Disney Parks rates TDR higher than WDW.
 
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HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
So let's try to explain how raising ticket prices isn't going to generate the revenue some poster(s) thinks it will. I would have used crayon but that would be insulting to everyone else.

Example 1 - Paying current prices for hotel, a park ticket, food/beverages, and souvenirs
Example 2 - Paying current prices for hotel, DOUBLED ticket price, normal food/bev and souvenir prices but there are fewer guests (that's the goal, isn't it, oh-brilliant-one?) and those that did come had to cut back a bit because ticket prices are higher. You know, just normal human behavior and reaction to higher prices.
Example 3 - Paying half price for hotel, current price for everything else. But that gets more people to come, so more crowding, et al.
Example 4 - Said to hell with Disney after seeing prices increase far beyond even a rational measure of inflation while the experience was reduced, complicated pay-to-play schemes introduced, a smartphone required while visiting, and billions spent on the parks for relatively little net-new capacity.

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So what does doubling ticket prices get you? Besides fewer guests and horribly bad PR? LESS REVENUE. You erect an even higher barrier to entry and somehow think that's going to increase revenue??? Unless you somehow believe, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, that the guests who do come will happily fork over 5-10 times money more for food, beverages, and souvenirs (and higher hotel prices, because food/bev isn't going to absorb that kind of price hike) just to make up for the loss of 5 million guests.

Edited to add this - Even if Example 3 doubled their food/beverage and souvenir spending, it would only amount to a $2.7 billion increase. Which is still $20 billion behind the first one, all other things being equal across an entire year.
 
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Disone

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So let's try to explain how raising ticket prices isn't going to generate the revenue some poster(s) thinks it will. I would have used crayon but that would be insulting to everyone else.

Example 1 - Paying current prices for hotel, a park ticket, food/beverages, and souvenirs
Example 2 - Paying current prices for hotel, DOUBLED ticket price, normal food/bev and souvenir prices but there are fewer guests (that's the goal, isn't it, oh-brilliant-one?) and those that did come had to cut back a bit because ticket prices are higher. You know, just normal human behavior and reaction to higher prices.
Example 3 - Paying half price for hotel, current price for everything else. But that gets more people to come, so more crowding, et al.
Example 4 - Said to hell with Disney after seeing prices increase far beyond even a rational measure of inflation while the experience was reduced, complicated pay-to-play schemes introduced, a smartphone required while visiting, and billions spent on the parks for relatively little net-new capacity.

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So what does doubling ticket prices get you? Besides fewer guests and horribly bad PR? LESS REVENUE. You erect an even higher barrier to entry and somehow think that's going to increase revenue??? Unless you somehow believe, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, that the guests who do come will happily fork over 5-10 times money more for food, beverages, and souvenirs (and higher hotel prices, because food/bev isn't going to absorb that kind of price hike) just to make up for the loss of 5 million guests.

Edited to add this - Even if Example 3 doubled their food/beverage and souvenir spending, it would only amount to a $2.7 billion increase. Which is still $20 billion behind the first one, all other things being equal across an entire year.
I agree that doubling the ticket price is going to reduce the amount of patrons. That said I am genuinely curious as to where the drop of 5 million / 25% visitors from? Is it just a guess or is there a driver behind that?
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I agree that doubling the ticket price is going to reduce the amount of patrons. That said I am genuinely curious as to where the drop of 5 million / 25% visitors from? Is it just a guess or is there a driver behind that?
It's a guess. You raise ticket prices 100% and I doubt anyone is going to argue against attendance dropping 25%, particularly if they continue to charge what they are charging for rooms. How many families are going to walk away if 7-day tickets are a minimum of $6k for a family of 4?
 

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