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DisneyHead123

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Okay but that's not the question, is it?

The question is not "is Mount Fuji awesome?" I'm sure it is. The question is "is Mount Fuji so exceptionally awesome and so much better than all the other alternatives that it justifies the additional time, hassle, and expense to get there?"
I am somewhat sympathetic to your point of view because this is how I feel about NYC - people just looooove it and I honestly don't get it. So much concrete everywhere! And if someone said "Oh, but go visit Central Park if you want nature! Or go upstate!" I would have the same response as you - I could do that elsewhere, why do I have to seek out New York specifically?

That said, I think the reason you're getting a lot of pushback here is that there is going to be a ton of overlap between people who think Disney is great and people who think Japan is great. Honestly if you Venn diagrammed it I suspect the circles would almost overlap. This is just my impression as someone who knows of Japan largely through what I've absorbed in pop culture but it all seems so - extra! Cuter, cooler, more "Oooo, neato!!" factor in everything. Even the vending machines are cool. It looks like there are cool, unique, and immersive museums and exhibits all over the place. Unbelievable interactive art museums. Mario Karts driving through the streets! Rainbow grilled cheese sandwiches! It just goes on an on. For anything you can think of, from the cool to the mundane, if you Google it going "I wonder if Japan has a more technologically advanced and cuter version of this thing?" - the answer is yes, yes they do.
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
I am somewhat sympathetic to your point of view because this is how I feel about NYC - people just looooove it and I honestly don't get it. So much concrete everywhere!
I love NYC for the broadway shows, historic buildings, and museums. It also has a pretty fascinating and extensive public transportation system.

But it’s a pretty expensive vacation destination and unless there was something specific you really want to see (like a broadway show) it wouldn’t be on the top of my list for a vacation.
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
I love NYC for the broadway shows, historic buildings, and museums. It also has a pretty fascinating and extensive public transportation system.

But it’s a pretty expensive vacation destination and unless there was something specific you really want to see (like a broadway show) it wouldn’t be on the top of my list for a vacation.
I do think there’s a lot to do there - big cities just aren’t my thing, unless they have quainter historical areas like DC or Philly. Thinks it’s a great place, just don’t particularly want to go there. Tokyo I think is different because there are so many Disney-esque elements (or appear to be, anyways.)
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
What about the wooden escalators in the Macy’s? Those are the same escalators George Washington took to buy his wig!
True story…

There was a department store in Morristown, NJ…which has since been demolished and replaced with condos (Epsteins…if I recall?) that i was in the sub basement years ago that had some storage rooms/caves that dated from the 1780s where the continental army was known to store supplies.

You want to talk about a surreal feel? We were standing were the General was during winter camp doing review…
 
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doctornick

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Heard. On the flight to Japan when I went to Tokyo Disney, I was reading about how Japan is the least English-speaking country in the world. I had a mild panic attack.


Since there’s lots of talk about Japan, I wanted to comment on this point. I’ve travelled a good bit internationally (somewhere in the range of 35-40 different countries) and I always learn at least the basics of the native language before I visit a place. Y’know hello, thank you, please, where is…?, one/two/three, etc.

So with that in mind, I will say that when I went to Tokyo I did find it to be the least English place I have ever been to (this was in the early 2000's for context so I'm not sure if it has changed). I was actually quite taken aback given how cosmopolitan the city is. It also doesn't help that it isn't exactly easy to read the Japanese characters on signs and such. But finding people willing or able to communicate in English was really difficult to us. Now, that's not a criticism - in no way should people be obligated to speak English - but it definitely was a bit surprising at how insular Japan was. Especially given how popular some American things - like Disney! - are there. In hindsight, I suppose I shouldn't have been so surprised given their status as a wealthy technologically advanced island, but I would definitely caution anyone who is visiting there to be prepared to have some communication issues.

Probably not an issue when visiting TDL of course but that's a different animal anyway.
 
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C33Mom

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…But finding people willing or able to communicate in English was really difficult to us. Now, that's not a criticism - in no way should people be obligated to speak English - but it definitely was a bit surprising at how insular Japan was. Especially given how popular some American things - like Disney! - are there. In hindsight, I suppose I shouldn't have been so surprised given their status as a wealthy technologically advanced island, but I would definitely caution anyone who is visiting there to be prepared to have some communication issues.

Probably not an issue when visiting TDL of course but that's a different animal anyway.
Don’t be so sure about Disney parks there. We went to TDR for the first time in 2013 (my final Disney parks to visit at the time) and were surprised at the limited English compared to HK and Paris (admittedly, HK was British for a century and I am a francophone) but we are world travelers, decent mimes, and had learned a handful of basic phrases in Japanese and still could not figure out how/where to buy water on a hot day in the parks. We ended up with some sort of iced tea and also something we joke to this day tasted like nasty sweat, before giving up and sticking to western branded sodas we recognized. We made sure to learn the word for water before our subsequent visits. I do think English signage has gotten better and you can point to menu items in English at each QS or TS location.

Despite our language barriers, we loved the parks and have stayed for longer trips (leaving the Tokyo area) each time we visit. There’s a reason that everybody who loves Disney Parks rates TDR higher than WDW.
 
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Henry Mystic

Author of "A Manor of Fact"
Meh. If I’m traveling to a foreign country, I’m not using my valuable time there going to a theme park. No matter how awesome it might be.

More specific to Disney, I don’t know how long of a vacation I’d have to have in France or Japan or China to where I’d consider doing the local Disney park, but it would definitely have to be more than 2 weeks. There’s just too much culturally unique stuff to see and do IMHO to warrant spending days at a theme park there.
I had a friend who went to Japan for a couple of weeks, went all over, hit the nightlife, historic sites, natural wonders, the list goes on, but while in Tokyo, he went to DisneySea for a day at my recommendation.

He said it was the highlight of the trip and it wasn’t even close. He isn’t even a theme park fanatic like me, and this was this past Christmas even before Fantasy Springs opened. Hadn’t even been to MK in over a decade.

My first trip to Disneyland involved going to San Francisco, Monterrey, Beverly Hills, Hollywood, and Venice Beach. DLR, for 4-nights, was just the icing on the cake at the end of the 2-week vacation.

I love soccer too! Was it a mistake to see a Real Madrid match when I happened to be in Madrid? Absolutely not.

What are people even doing on a Disney super fan forum if they don’t want to experience the best of the best and then some? I’m not saying to go into debt over it, but the most often repeated knee-jerk reason given is “price,” which is blatantly false if you’re shelling out bank for deluxe hotels or DVC, and then people go on to other random excuses that are generally irrelevant or misguided as well.

It’s like everyone here just wants to hate on Disney, hoping for their downfall and imminent collapse. I’m definitely not a pixie duster and will call out Disney when I see fit, but I do love Disney, and I adore theme parks.

So many of the criticisms on this forum are wild, and like any Internet forum, subject to groupthink. Every time someone mentions “visit TDR, it’s the best!” here, there’s the inevitable person or two that hasn’t been and has got everything figured out declaring to the world that they’re better than theme parks when it comes to international travel. I find that trite and irrational.

If someone has already decided to cast something off as pointless, I think that's a silly approach if it's a topic you genuinely enjoy, especially when the parks here just do not compare to those abroad. Shanghai is no slouch either, but I understand a hesitancy now to travel to China for political reasons, but Japan? I just don’t get it. Swapping one year’s WDW vacation for 3-4 nights at Tokyo Disney Resort, and another week or two exploring Japan is a killer vacation. Infinitely better than what WDW could provide, and unlike many people here, I still find a WDW vacation to be a fantastic experience if you don’t go in peak crowds.

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed riding Shanghai Pirates, walking around Mysterious Island, and experiencing a level of service at both resorts that can only be found from the company today on Disney Cruise Line.

Hong Kong Disneyland is okay, but it’s definitely not anywhere near the other two Asian resorts, even though Mystic Manor is a top 10 ride for me. I’d definitely visit Tokyo again for TDR alone (with days spent in Japan as well given the distance), and I have an itch to go back to Shanghai for SDL, but HKDL I’d only ever go back to if I’m visiting Hong Kong again. Same for Disneyland Paris. If I’m already flying into Charles de Gaulle, a day or two makes sense for me.

I love to be a local, just immerse myself in a place. I love to be a tourist and climb a famous monument too. I’m a history buff times 10. Give me ruins to check out. I’m a huge urban design advocate, so I love really experiencing a place’s transit system (Barcelona is unreal!), nature is the coolest, and I adore theme parks.

I sure as hell enjoy climbing the Swiss Alps or seeing the Vatican. I love riding a bike through Copenhagen, eating a sandwich and a cappuccino staying in a local’s spot in Rome, venturing off into the countryside of Tuscany, seeking out highly rated restaurants on TripAdvisor in Paris, meeting friends and family in places like Frankfurt and Prague, the list goes on.

But, I also had such a terrific time at Europa Park, to an extent I couldn’t believe it. It literally is better than Disneyland Paris somehow. If you don’t try stuff you’ll never know, and here, on what’s again, the most Disney-obsessed forum arguably there is? People who haven’t been to these parks just don’t know what they’re missing out on.

I hope to go to India/Bhutan/Nepal in 2026 with a friend. I could understand how that would not be for everyone, but for theme parks that are godly when were the target audience? It’s actually a good way to dip your feet in the water to a new place to be honest. Gives you an excuse to go.

If you don’t know already, Earth is big, and there’s so limited time to experience it, might as well check out what you enjoy without worrying about what people think of you or that you should be doing something else. The key though with life is trying things outside the box because you never know what you’ll enjoy. Some people say adding a beach day is a waste of time on a European trip. I disagree, you need days to break things up and relax. Others ignore a city’s museum because they’re boring. I mean the list goes on.

When I was flying to Shanghai a flight attendant asked me what I was going to do first, and I said Shanghai Disneyland and then head to the city and she quipped “Why didn’t you just go to Orlando.” Some people just won’t get it, and that’s okay. But us here? This is like THE place to talk about it.

I do want to see all the best the world has to offer, and I’m here to tell you, DisneySea is genuinely one of mankind’s most breathtaking creations, full-stop. That’s not even an exaggeration.

The way I view it, is going to a theme park that’s as good as DisneySea for a couple days a perfect change-up to balance out a much larger trip?

Yes.

Is it difficult to communicate with people there?

Absolutely not. People act like other countries are aliens due to us culturally being told we’re the best. The reality is, there’s a lot of other terrific places and many do exceed what you can find here, and that applies to theme parks too. I’ve never felt safer anywhere as in East Asia, like anywhere, period. The transit throughout the region is second to none, the cultures are so rich, the food is outstanding. Go and check out the world! At least for me, there are only SO many churches you can go to before they start becoming a blur, and this is coming from someone who’s been to the Vatican 3 times because I love just finding new details everywhere. Diversity is the spice of life.

I thoroughly appreciate art, culture, languages, and also theme parks. I go more to experience places now, and I don’t see anything wrong with tacking on a few days at parks especially if you’ve never been to that one before and are shelling out thousands on trips to Orlando every year, which was what my original point was about, that it isn’t actually cost-prohibitive to visit Tokyo Disney Resort any more so than DVC or Deluxe hotel visits would be.

California, for instance, is such an incredible state that you could argue the same for Disneyland, or the same for Europeans going to Disneyland Paris being so close to arguably the most impressive city on Earth.

I've probably spent close to two weeks in Paris itself now, I'll tack on 2 nights at DLP to break up the trip. It's a great launching point due to relatively affordable airfare into CDG that has made sense in the past.

People just don’t know what they’re missing out on.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
So let's try to explain how raising ticket prices isn't going to generate the revenue some poster(s) thinks it will. I would have used crayon but that would be insulting to everyone else.

Example 1 - Paying current prices for hotel, a park ticket, food/beverages, and souvenirs
Example 2 - Paying current prices for hotel, DOUBLED ticket price, normal food/bev and souvenir prices but there are fewer guests (that's the goal, isn't it, oh-brilliant-one?) and those that did come had to cut back a bit because ticket prices are higher. You know, just normal human behavior and reaction to higher prices.
Example 3 - Paying half price for hotel, current price for everything else. But that gets more people to come, so more crowding, et al.
Example 4 - Said to hell with Disney after seeing prices increase far beyond even a rational measure of inflation while the experience was reduced, complicated pay-to-play schemes introduced, a smartphone required while visiting, and billions spent on the parks for relatively little net-new capacity.

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So what does doubling ticket prices get you? Besides fewer guests and horribly bad PR? LESS REVENUE. You erect an even higher barrier to entry and somehow think that's going to increase revenue??? Unless you somehow believe, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, that the guests who do come will happily fork over 5-10 times money more for food, beverages, and souvenirs (and higher hotel prices, because food/bev isn't going to absorb that kind of price hike) just to make up for the loss of 5 million guests.

Edited to add this - Even if Example 3 doubled their food/beverage and souvenir spending, it would only amount to a $2.7 billion increase. Which is still $20 billion behind the first one, all other things being equal across an entire year.
 
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Disone

Well-Known Member
So let's try to explain how raising ticket prices isn't going to generate the revenue some poster(s) thinks it will. I would have used crayon but that would be insulting to everyone else.

Example 1 - Paying current prices for hotel, a park ticket, food/beverages, and souvenirs
Example 2 - Paying current prices for hotel, DOUBLED ticket price, normal food/bev and souvenir prices but there are fewer guests (that's the goal, isn't it, oh-brilliant-one?) and those that did come had to cut back a bit because ticket prices are higher. You know, just normal human behavior and reaction to higher prices.
Example 3 - Paying half price for hotel, current price for everything else. But that gets more people to come, so more crowding, et al.
Example 4 - Said to hell with Disney after seeing prices increase far beyond even a rational measure of inflation while the experience was reduced, complicated pay-to-play schemes introduced, a smartphone required while visiting, and billions spent on the parks for relatively little net-new capacity.

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So what does doubling ticket prices get you? Besides fewer guests and horribly bad PR? LESS REVENUE. You erect an even higher barrier to entry and somehow think that's going to increase revenue??? Unless you somehow believe, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, that the guests who do come will happily fork over 5-10 times money more for food, beverages, and souvenirs (and higher hotel prices, because food/bev isn't going to absorb that kind of price hike) just to make up for the loss of 5 million guests.

Edited to add this - Even if Example 3 doubled their food/beverage and souvenir spending, it would only amount to a $2.7 billion increase. Which is still $20 billion behind the first one, all other things being equal across an entire year.
I agree that doubling the ticket price is going to reduce the amount of patrons. That said I am genuinely curious as to where the drop of 5 million / 25% visitors from? Is it just a guess or is there a driver behind that?
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I agree that doubling the ticket price is going to reduce the amount of patrons. That said I am genuinely curious as to where the drop of 5 million / 25% visitors from? Is it just a guess or is there a driver behind that?
It's a guess. You raise ticket prices 100% and I doubt anyone is going to argue against attendance dropping 25%, particularly if they continue to charge what they are charging for rooms. How many families are going to walk away if 7-day tickets are a minimum of $6k for a family of 4?
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
So let's try to explain how raising ticket prices isn't going to generate the revenue some poster(s) thinks it will. I would have used crayon but that would be insulting to everyone else.

Example 1 - Paying current prices for hotel, a park ticket, food/beverages, and souvenirs
Example 2 - Paying current prices for hotel, DOUBLED ticket price, normal food/bev and souvenir prices but there are fewer guests (that's the goal, isn't it, oh-brilliant-one?) and those that did come had to cut back a bit because ticket prices are higher. You know, just normal human behavior and reaction to higher prices.
Example 3 - Paying half price for hotel, current price for everything else. But that gets more people to come, so more crowding, et al.
Example 4 - Said to hell with Disney after seeing prices increase far beyond even a rational measure of inflation while the experience was reduced, complicated pay-to-play schemes introduced, a smartphone required while visiting, and billions spent on the parks for relatively little net-new capacity.

View attachment 798002

So what does doubling ticket prices get you? Besides fewer guests and horribly bad PR? LESS REVENUE. You erect an even higher barrier to entry and somehow think that's going to increase revenue??? Unless you somehow believe, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, that the guests who do come will happily fork over 5-10 times money more for food, beverages, and souvenirs (and higher hotel prices, because food/bev isn't going to absorb that kind of price hike) just to make up for the loss of 5 million guests.

Edited to add this - Even if Example 3 doubled their food/beverage and souvenir spending, it would only amount to a $2.7 billion increase. Which is still $20 billion behind the first one, all other things being equal across an entire year.
While I’m sympathetic to your general sentiment, I will say that this doesn’t account for expenses. I sometimes worry that Disney has spread themselves too thin these days. With each new offering comes new needs for labor, maintenance, supplies, etc. I’m sure it is still better for them to expand even with additional costs - otherwise they would simply never expand. The picture might be a little more complicated when expenses are factored in though.
 

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