Cheaper tickets COMING SOON

[TrainsOfDisney]

Why? How trashed are you leaving your room every day that you need someone to come in and clean it up for you?

Blaming the guest - it’s the new Disney way! lol

Are you on staff? Reminds of “we are charging more for smaller portions but frankly the guests are too fat so we are doing them a favor” (that might be slightly paraphrased haha)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wonder if they’ll start rolling Lightening Lanes into resort stays as a perk. By far the most common complaint I hear about Disney these days is that they “nickel and dime” you. I think they really neglected to take people’s psychology into account when introducing carnival-style pricing. People love things that are “all inclusive”, hence the popularity of the dining plan even if it’s not really a money saver for most. They love an “extra”, hence the popularity of outrageously priced dessert parties. But people really, really do not like what feel like hidden fees on something that seems like an integral part of the experience.

Making LLs a “bonus” for resort guests might be a way to sorta kinda undo that damage. Going back to FP+ would be a better one, but if they’re not willing to give up on LLs entirely it would be the obvious compromise.

That would be giving away their free revenue source

At a time when they can’t afford any loses

And if they start bribing you to book their rooms…they are in deep doodoo

 

[monothingie]

Loook at the AP rates for this week $157 for Values and you can get Caribean Beach $226 and Coronado for $210

With the exception of the Poly. Here is your list of resorts that are HURTING right now.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ive been saying the same thing

Why not give onsite included with a hotel stay - Make folks want to upgrade their hotel and stop the nickel and diming.
Deluxe, and DVC get 6 LL 2-1s and 4-2s
Moderates get 4 LL 1 - 1 and 3 - 2s
Values and good neighbor hotels get 3LL 1- 1 and 2 -2s

Offsite hotels get the same as values with add purchase LL

They at not keen on giving away no cost revenue

I missed that period of WDW. Sounds really amazing compared to today, sigh.

You have many choices when you travel

 

[GhostHost1000]

With the exception of the Poly. Here is your list of resorts that are HURTING right now.
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Yep. That’s a lot of availability during a holiday weekend while not all rooms at the resorts are even 100% open. Yikes.

 

[ChrisFL]

I noticed restaurant reservations are also much more widely available than I expected. Other than Space 220, places like that...a couple of Sundays ago, I looked at Sci-Fi and they had availability most of the day which seems like it was much more difficult in previous years.

 

[GhostHost1000]

I noticed restaurant reservations are also much more widely available than I expected. Other than Space 220, places like that...a couple of Sundays ago, I looked at Sci-Fi and they had availability most of the day which seems like it was much more difficult in previous years.

I can confirm this. When I went late May early June I was amazed to see what was open even the day before or day of

 

[Lilofan]

With the exception of the Poly. Here is your list of resorts that are HURTING right now.
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Sounds like a better deal than the opulent Four Seasons at WDW which from 7/4-7 for a 500 sq ft room starting at $1.3K per night. FS resort complex and guest service is day and night compared to any Deluxe WDW resort.

 

[monothingie]

Sounds like a better deal than the opulent Four Seasons at WDW which from 7/4-7 for a 500 sq ft room starting at $1.3K per night.

 

[doctornick]

I noticed restaurant reservations are also much more widely available than I expected. Other than Space 220, places like that...a couple of Sundays ago, I looked at Sci-Fi and they had availability most of the day which seems like it was much more difficult in previous years.

Oga's Cantina takes walk ins too - though they still pack people in (they will put 3 and maybe even 4 parties together at a table)

 

[monothingie]

I can confirm this. When I went late May early June I was amazed to see what was open even the day before or day of

Look at reservations 24-48 hours out or even day of. You will see things you don't expect to see there.

IDK if it is last minute cancelations or holding back of last minute inventory.

 

[DisneyHead123]

That would be giving away they’d be free revenue source

At a time when they can’t afford any loses

And if they start bribing you to book their rooms…they are in deep doodoo

I am very curious what the cost-benefit ratio is for Disney though, based on customer feedback. I feel it’s entirely possible that LL is trending toward costing them more in lost visitors than it’s gaining them in sales. That could be way off base though… I guess their actions over the next year will hint at how the whole LL thing is playing out.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

With the exception of the Poly. Here is your list of resorts that are HURTING right now.
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Nobody goes when 1/4 of the US population has absolutely nothing to do…details at 11

 

[Bocabear]

We were there a couple weeks ago and the parks were mobbed... Waits were all pretty long, the walkways in all the parks were packed and restaurant availability was extremely low. All the while on here everyone was saying that the parks are quiet... I guess compared to Christmas week, but they were all pretty busy to me....

 

[monothingie]

I am very curious what the cost-benefit ratio is for Disney though, based on customer feedback. I feel it’s entirely possible that LL is trending toward costing them more in lost visitors than it’s gaining them in sales. That could be way off base though… I guess their actions over the next year will hint at how the whole LL thing is playing out.

G+/LL/MPLL/SPLL are only symptoms of the bigger public facing problem Disney has. How do you extract more revenue without having to actually invest in anything to get more customers?

In management's mind, they firmly believe that their approach will overcome any temporary slowness and return significant value to the shareholders. All they have to do is stay the course.

Unfortunately Blackrock and Merrill and Morgan Stanley are not fun to take on vacation and don't dictate guest behavior and choices.

Perhaps the most alarming thing to the Disney Brain Trust and Wall Street wolves should be that this slowness isn't caused by 50% of your customers leaving you. It's likely less than 10% and even worse, trend is heading the wrong way for Disney.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I noticed restaurant reservations are also much more widely available than I expected. Other than Space 220, places like that...a couple of Sundays ago, I looked at Sci-Fi and they had availability most of the day which seems like it was much more difficult in previous years.

They restaurants have been clearing out more and more for several years now

 

[ChrisFL]

They restaurants have been clearing out more and more for several years now

Could be the other things are more expensive so they're spending less on the nicer restaurant experiences.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Could be the other things are more expensive so they're spending less on the nicer restaurant experiences.

We decided to cancel the ridiculously priced Ohana to pay for Lightning Lane.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Could be the other things are more expensive so they're spending less on the nicer restaurant experiences.

And they crushed the prices of restaurants over 10 years

But to your point…my best guess is the reason they are in Trouble is everything is more EXPENSIVE AT HOME at choices like this are being made.

The main problem with Bob saying his clientele was “luxury”…when it never was. Disney has data on that for decades…but you gotta read it

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

We decided to cancel the ridiculously priced Ohana to pay for Lightning Lane.

Not missing anything

Grab the nachos at Captain cooks and you’re golden