News Chapek FIRED, Iger New CEO

[GimpYancIent]

no, i want a well made product. period.

If quality is what you want then China is definitely out. Conosur's of quality do not even look in the direction of China.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A lot dusters like you love everything they do. Disney's thrill rides are not top tier. They may be well themed but they aren't on the thrill level of a Velocicoaster or most coasters you see at a regional park.

What I want to see is first Epcot finished as originally planned with the countries having their attractions like Rhine River cruise. When I first went to Disney in the late 80s and early 90s, Epcot was the park that really blew me away. It was different then the rest of the parks and was unique with their dark rides and the World Showcase. I loved Horizons and World of Motion. Two of the best dark rides Disney ever had. Body Wars was also a great ride. I would like Epcot to go back to that.

I'm not upset about the other parks other than if they add Zootopia to AK as IMO it doesn't fit the theming of that park whatsoever.

The biggest reason I'm down on the parks so much is the amount of planning involved. It's a big reason I go to Universal more often. It's so simple to visit and very little planning. I do enough planning in my day to day life, it's the last thing I want to do on vacation

The problem is theme park investment appears to be off the table. The fact nothing has been announced already this year is kinda shocking

Purposefully so. Disney is aiming for families. Rides with height requirements is a big hindrance to families and reduces the number of rides left that they can go on.

It was never about rides…I’m surprised how many people still indicate it ever was? The ones who criticize their lack of rides and those that ballyhoo them as “elite”

Truth is firmly in the middle

 

[Jrb1979]

Can you give me an example of three thrill rides that are "top tier" and "family friendly"?

There isn't any. My response was @Mmoore29 saying Disney's thrill rides are top tier.

 

[MisterPenguin]

There isn't any. My response was @Mmoore29 saying Disney's thrill rides are top tier.

OK, now I understand your point.

 

[Jrb1979]

The problem is theme park investment appears to be off the table. The fact nothing has been announced already this year is kinda shocking

It was never about rides…I’m surprised how many people still indicate it ever was? The ones who criticize their lack of rides and those that ballyhoo them as “elite”

Truth is firmly in the middle

I know nothing is coming. I was responding to what I would like to see Disney become.

IMO all WDW parks should have close to the same amount of attractions.

 

[Splash4eva]

Can you give me an example of three thrill rides that are "top tier" and "family friendly"?

Splash Mountain was the best that fit your description.

 

[Mmoore29]

They have gone away also from just simulators. I take it you haven't visited in awhile. They have added 2 of the best coasters in Orlando.

I don't do coasters with inversions and loops. And my attraction was always to the greats at Universal: Jaws, Earthquake/Disaster, T2 3D, Twister and the like.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ehhhhh not exactly. The American consumer want cheap goods period any supplier will do.

no, i want a well made product. period.

Yeah…Americans really want a lot of product…quality is “negotiable”

Since the roaring 80’s…

Anyone remember people filling carts with $19 vhs players at Wally’s on Black Friday in the 90’s?

That pretty much says it all.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Splash Mountain was the best that fit your description.

Maybe not top tier…but the perfect blend of everything.

Tower used to qualify for that…

Flight of passage isn’t as thrilling…but excellent multisensory

Guardians is more of rush…but not as well thematically.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I know nothing is coming. I was responding to what I would like to see Disney become.

IMO all WDW parks should have close to the same amount of attractions.

…I remember one or two Bobs almost promising that…
But they really just hinted and haven’t made any headway at all.
Dak is up 1…1 Ride since 2005.
Studios is maybe +2…maybe?
Epcot down in the end?
Magic kingdom +2 now…

That’s like 25 years. It’s not a path to longterm strength.

 

[Jrb1979]

…I remember one or two Bobs almost promising that…
But they really just hinted and haven’t made any headway at all.
Dak is up 1…1 Ride since 2005.
Studios is maybe +2…maybe?
Epcot down in the end?
Magic kingdom +2 now…

That’s like 25 years. It’s not a path to longterm strength.

Agreed. Til now they didn't need new attractions to draw guests. Most guests were fine riding the same attractions year after year

 

[Andrew25]

…I remember one or two Bobs almost promising that…
But they really just hinted and haven’t made any headway at all.
Dak is up 1…1 Ride since 2005.
Studios is maybe +2…maybe?
Epcot down in the end?
Magic kingdom +2 now…

That’s like 25 years. It’s not a path to longterm strength.

Unpopular opinion, but I would call Epcot to be the only park that has somewhat increased capacity decently. Maelstrom & Energy were lost causes and GOTG/Frozen have maximized capacity. Sure, Ellen could handle way more people than Guardians' hourly throughput... but most of those seats were empty.

DHS remained somewhat stagnant, Studio Tour & Lights, Motors were capacity monsters.

DAK is just laughable.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Agreed. Til now they didn't need new attractions to draw guests. Most guests were fine riding the same attractions year after year

Correct…because it wasn’t about the rides…it was the theming, the food, the hotel compound/bubble…

They may have crossed the line to overcharging for all of it.

Nobody wants to feel cheated. Only the Mainline dusters. They almost get “excited” by it…but no one else does. No matter the means

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Unpopular opinion, but I would call Epcot to be the only park that has somewhat increased capacity decently. Maelstrom & Energy were lost causes and GOTG/Frozen have maximized capacity. Sure, Ellen could handle way more people than Guardians' hourly throughput... but most of those seats were empty.

DHS remained somewhat stagnant, Studio Tour & Lights, Motors were capacity monsters.

DAK is just laughable.

It’s all pretty flat.

The reason I don’t say Epcot is up is because their only actually add is rat…offset by wonders of life

All other work was replacement

 

[Jrb1979]

Correct…because if wasn’t about the rides…it was the theming, the food, the hotel compound/bubble…

They may have crossed the line to overcharging for all of it.

Nobody wants to feel cheated. Only the Mainline dusters. They almost get “excited” by it…but no one else does. No matter the means

With the dining plan coming back I'm afraid the food quality will suffer again

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

With the dining plan coming back I'm afraid the food quality will suffer again

Because that’s what it’s designed to do. Charge and cut.

But it has to sell…and the price is a lot this time.

 

[FigmentFan82]

Yeah…Americans really want a lot of product…quality is “negotiable”

Since the roaring 80’s…

Anyone remember people filling carts with $19 vhs players at Wally’s on Black Friday in the 90’s?

That pretty much says it all.

not. me.

 

[flynnibus]

But there's a difference between knowing a dish isn't good and knowing whether an entire company isn't good. And there has never been proof that there's anything fundamentally wrong at Disney.

I don't know... what would you call making the same mistake over and over? Or blindly burning what took generations to build?

When a problem persists beyond an individual or their control - you start to look at systemic and cultural issues.

There's only been problems with people like Peter Murphy, Alan Horn, Chapek and Daniel, but not problems with the company itself. All your insistence that there is something wrong does not make it automatically true by any means.

Disney is not in a rut, except the one invented by the media, and it's going to do just fine. It's going to be a real highflier, if not a tech-level one, by the end of Iger's turnaround.

I don't agree - we've been watching Parks destroy decades of customer sentiment by insisting the parks are a growth segment... while preaching talking points that just make you ill while they lead the world in what seems to be 'how much money can we blow on a thing ?"

The company is floudering in key areas - and their inability to address it means yes, there are problems in the company.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

not. me.

Outlier…sadly

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't know... what would you call making the same mistake over and over? Or blindly burning what took generations to build?

When a problem persists beyond an individual or their control - you start to look at systemic and cultural issues.



I don't agree - we've been watching Parks destroy decades of customer sentiment by insisting the parks are a growth segment... while preaching talking points that just make you ill while they lead the world in what seems to be 'how much money can we blow on a thing ?"

The company is floudering in key areas - and their inability to address it means yes, there are problems in the company.

Woah…

My level of agreement with this is shocking/exciting/menacing all at the same time