News Chapek FIRED, Iger New CEO

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Thats the real problem is that its been underperforming during the biggest bull market ever prior. Ive said this before ill say it again. Iger to me is the most over rated CEO ever. Media loved him for what i have no idea. To me he has been someone definitely missed out on Disney’s full potential

They love him because he was a figurehead of throwing money around from the housing crash-2020…

He represents everything that the “free market” tries to convince you can last forever:
He spent gobs buying stuff That’s overvalued
He throws money around overseas…”untapped” gold mines with $1 an hour labor
He screwed his customers methodically, systematically…without apology.


A bankers/brokers dream. We’re all rich and we’ll all be way more rich everyday this week.


But the times are catching up. If you watch the financials…everyday of 2 years of recession watch, the look at labor and spending stats and try to spin it at much better than it could be…
…then they bring on the ceo of Chase, Bank of America or Citibank and they say: “….ehhh…I wouldn’t get too carried away”

Those just happen to be the 3 largest creditors in the free world…they might know a bit more?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The piper will be paid. The bill always comes due. The question is will Bob bail again before that happens? The anticipation is delicious.

That’s why I wouldn’t dispense with these breakup/sale stories

It’s really the only way he can ego pump himself on the way out.

 

[el_super]

Not to be sidetracked but thats what i find most comical and hypocritical.

LOL ...I mean like.... is this a weird joke at this point?

Folks have spent half this thread insisting that Disney's problems were all caused by asking people to pay more money as they took up a moral position, and now you're flipping around and insisting that this is surely the path toward redemption?

Disney can only do what American consumers want and the American consumers want cheap goods from China.

 

[Disstevefan1]

LOL ...I mean like.... is this a weird joke at this point?

Folks have spent half this thread insisting that Disney's problems were all caused by asking people to pay more money as they took up a moral position, and now you're flipping around and insisting that this is surely the path toward redemption?

Disney can only do what American consumers want and the American consumers want cheap goods from China.

Darn, I tried to drill back and the post was deleted. Too bad.

 

[Mmoore29]

LOL ...I mean like.... is this a weird joke at this point?

Folks have spent half this thread insisting that Disney's problems were all caused by asking people to pay more money as they took up a moral position, and now you're flipping around and insisting that this is surely the path toward redemption?

Disney can only do what American consumers want and the American consumers want cheap goods from China.

That's the thing with the "Disney Doomers" on this particular forum. They spend their time decrying "what Disney has become" but they can't actually specify "what Disney should be." They can't stay consistent on whether they consider Eisner a creative visionary who cared about everything or a micromanaging jerk who was ruining everything. They can't stay consistent on whether Iger is someone who did an incredible turnaround or someone who is an asset stripper. They can't stay consistent on whether George Lucas "raped my childhood" or whether "No, actually, he's great, but Disney's wrong." They can't stay consistent on what counts as a flop.

Their position is exactly like George Costanza against the Bubble Boy:

 

[JD80]

The great debate: Doomers vs. Dusters.

 

[Jrb1979]

That's the thing with the "Disney Doomers" on this particular forum. They spend their time decrying "what Disney has become" but they can't actually specify "what Disney should be." They can't stay consistent on whether they consider Eisner a creative visionary who cared about everything or a micromanaging jerk who was ruining everything. They can't stay consistent on whether Iger is someone who did an incredible turnaround or someone who is an asset stripper. They can't stay consistent on whether George Lucas "raped my childhood" or whether "No, actually, he's great, but Disney's wrong." They can't stay consistent on what counts as a flop.

Their position is exactly like George Costanza against the Bubble Boy:

I have an answer to what Disney parks should be. It should go back to what it was that made them different and better than everyone else. Well themed rides with a lot of AAs and less thrill rides as they never have done them well. Go back to keeping each park it's own theme. Instead of making each park an extension of MK.

 

[Mmoore29]

I have an answer to what Disney parks should be. It should go back to what it was that made them different and better than everyone else. Well themed rides with a lot of AAs and less thrill rides as they never have done them well. Go back to keeping each park it's own theme. Instead of making each park an extension of MK.

That's still not very specific. You don't describe what what it would actually LOOK like and HOW to do it. You just give a vague, general "This is what I want. You figure it out." You don't have a blueprint to follow.

Furthermore, Disney's thrill rides are top-tier, and you know that. You're pretending they aren't, because that's what you have to say to "win the game."

A lot of "Doomer" comments from you and others aren't sincere, aren't your beliefs. You pretend they are because you just want to win the game, and you take whatever is convenient for you to win. And if the company actually does do what you say you want, you switch again and say you want something different.

If you were all being perfectly candid about what you want and what you want Disney to be, the answer would be, "What difference does it make? We're right either way, even when we're wrong. That's all that matters, is that we're right and Disney and those who defend it are in the wrong."

 

[Jrb1979]

That's still not very specific. You don't describe what what it would actually LOOK like and HOW to do it. You just give a vague, general "This is what I want. You figure it out." You don't have a blueprint to follow.

Furthermore, Disney's thrill rides are top-tier, and you know that. You're pretending they aren't, because that's what you have to say to "win the game."

A lot of "Doomer" comments from you and others aren't sincere, aren't your beliefs. You pretend they are because you just want to win the game, and you take whatever is convenient for you to win. And if the company actually does do what you say you want, you switch again and say you want something different.

If you were all being perfectly candid about what you want and what you want Disney to be, the answer would be, "What difference does it make? We're right either way, even when we're wrong. That's all that matters, is that we're right and Disney and those who defend it are in the wrong."

A lot dusters like you love everything they do. Disney's thrill rides are not top tier. They may be well themed but they aren't on the thrill level of a Velocicoaster or most coasters you see at a regional park.

What I want to see is first Epcot finished as originally planned with the countries having their attractions like Rhine River cruise. When I first went to Disney in the late 80s and early 90s, Epcot was the park that really blew me away. It was different then the rest of the parks and was unique with their dark rides and the World Showcase. I loved Horizons and World of Motion. Two of the best dark rides Disney ever had. Body Wars was also a great ride. I would like Epcot to go back to that.

I'm not upset about the other parks other than if they add Zootopia to AK as IMO it doesn't fit the theming of that park whatsoever.

The biggest reason I'm down on the parks so much is the amount of planning involved. It's a big reason I go to Universal more often. It's so simple to visit and very little planning. I do enough planning in my day to day life, it's the last thing I want to do on vacation

 

[flynnibus]

That's the thing with the "Disney Doomers" on this particular forum. They spend their time decrying "what Disney has become" but they can't actually specify "what Disney should be."

You don't need to know how to fix a problem to be able to spot a problem. You can say "this isn't working" without having the solution.

If the solution were that easy to ID and commit to... leaders could be anyone.

 

[Mmoore29]

Would I love Epcot to be more in line with its original intent? Absolutely? But I think it doesn't go against the grain if Test Track is there, because World of Motion seems rather dull. If I had my way, I'd certainly have a lot more of the original intent at Epcot. But I don't, so I have to roll with things.

But Universal arguably got away from its main conceit more, because now it's all simulators, simulators, simulators. The "ride the movies" conceit is a distant memory.

 

[MisterPenguin]

A lot dusters like you love everything they do. Disney's thrill rides are not top tier. They may be well themed but they aren't on the thrill level of a Velocicoaster or most coasters you see at a regional park.

Purposefully so. Disney is aiming for families. Rides with height requirements is a big hindrance to families and reduces the number of rides left that they can go on.

 

[Splash4eva]

LOL ...I mean like.... is this a weird joke at this point?

Folks have spent half this thread insisting that Disney's problems were all caused by asking people to pay more money as they took up a moral position, and now you're flipping around and insisting that this is surely the path toward redemption?

Disney can only do what American consumers want and the American consumers want cheap goods from China.

Im pretty confident that the Majority of American consumers especially Disney guests did NOT want Splash to be gutted…. But hey what do i know lol

 

[Mmoore29]

You don't need to know how to fix a problem to be able to spot a problem. You can say "this isn't working" without having the solution.

If the solution were that easy to ID and commit to... leaders could be anyone.

True, like you don't have to be a chef to know a dish isn't good. I get and understand that.

But there's a difference between knowing a dish isn't good and knowing whether an entire company isn't good. And there has never been proof that there's anything fundamentally wrong at Disney. There's only been problems with people like Peter Murphy, Alan Horn, Chapek and Daniel, but not problems with the company itself. All your insistence that there is something wrong does not make it automatically true by any means.

Disney is not in a rut, except the one invented by the media, and it's going to do just fine. It's going to be a real highflier, if not a tech-level one, by the end of Iger's turnaround.

 

[Splash4eva]

Current in Florida and the mouse is getting none of my money this trip. Saw this shirt and thought it was fitting lol

 

[Jrb1979]

Would I love Epcot to be more in line with its original intent? Absolutely? But I think it doesn't go against the grain if Test Track is there, because World of Motion seems rather dull. If I had my way, I'd certainly have a lot more of the original intent at Epcot. But I don't, so I have to roll with things.

But Universal arguably got away from its main conceit more, because now it's all simulators, simulators, simulators. The "ride the movies" conceit is a distant memory.

They have gone away also from just simulators. I take it you haven't visited in awhile. They have added 2 of the best coasters in Orlando.

 

[GimpYancIent]

LOL ...I mean like.... is this a weird joke at this point?

Folks have spent half this thread insisting that Disney's problems were all caused by asking people to pay more money as they took up a moral position, and now you're flipping around and insisting that this is surely the path toward redemption?

Disney can only do what American consumers want and the American consumers want cheap goods from China.

Ehhhhh not exactly. The American consumer want cheap goods period any supplier will do.

 

[Jrb1979]

Purposefully so. Disney is aiming for families. Rides with height requirements is a big hindrance to families and reduces the number of rides left that they can go on.

I know that's why the thrill rides are the way they are. I was saying that Disney's thrill rides are not top tier at all.

 

[FigmentFan82]

Ehhhhh not exactly. The American consumer want cheap goods period any supplier will do.

no, i want a well made product. period.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I know that's why the thrill rides are the way they are. I was saying that Disney's thrill rides are not top tier at all.

Can you give me an example of three thrill rides that are "top tier" and "family friendly"?