Changes to Fastpass+ Tiers at Hollywood Studios Effective 8.29

Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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mmcclory324 said:
I am a DVC owner since 2012 and have been to Disney over a dozen times. The reason I bring this up to begin post is that I recently brought my 13, 12 and 10 year old to Universal. I am a life long Disney fan and while I did enjoy Universal, I still like Disney much better. Of course with one exception. Universal's Express Pass is far superior to Disney Fast Pass. We stayed at Hard Rock and got to skip every line. My family kept saying "why would we wait in lines for 60+ minutes at Disney when we can do this." I think Disney needs to rethink their Fast Pass system and offer some kind of increased value whether its staying in certain signature hotels, being an annual passholder, being a DVC member or even selling additional Fast Passes. The amount of time you have to wait is unacceptable and I think they are losing business over it
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While I agree...they would NEVER give that kind of benefit to grandfather DVC.

I have no lllusions: they feel I’ve gotten my value out of the last 13 years and could care less If here or not.
Kingoglow said:
Hard cap a maximum capacity for each park, much much lower than they currently do.
Let no one in until 100 guests have left under that new cap.
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Now WHY Would they do that?

The parks are uncomfortably crowded...but nowhere near “full”.

Uncomfortable crowds are a good thing for them...it allows Undending price increases and pushed the herd toward expensive, low yield upsell events. Which the people gulp down like oysters.

Dutch door
 
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zurj

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Kman101 said:
With Hollywood Studios, imagine exiting Galaxy's Edge and having only a few options for rides. At least at Disneyland you exit Galaxy's Edge and enter Walt's park with tons of things to do plus a park literally a minute away with a healthy selection of attractions/rides. I'm very curious to see what effect GE has. The parks are already nearing uncomfortable crowd levels on "regular" days so will the crowds be there just for Star Wars and head out or will they funnel into the rest of the park. What happens when the land is at capacity and you have tons of people forced to walk around and get into standby or go watch a 30 year old stage show?
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When the land fills up, will they do a virtual queue ("come back at 1:30 to visit Batuu"), or an actual queue that would keep people in line?
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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zurj said:
As an aside, I don't think the new land will drive wait times up across the park as much as feared. I believe Star Wars land will be awfully crowded, but the rest of the park (I think) will not be nearly as crowded as feared. I went to Universal about 3 weeks after Diagon Alley opened, and wait times across the park were not bad at all. Diagon Alley was super crowded... 3 hour waits for Gringotts. 1 hour waits just to get into the land... but you could go over to MIB and only wait 10 minutes.
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Mgm has hardly anything in the park...it has almost no lower draw attractions.

That’s why they are in a far worse position to handle the influx that USO or Disneyland.

I still think they made a huge infrastructure mistake 3 years ago...compounded by this skyway.

And of course half developed a park for a cool 30 even years
 
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BigThunderMatt

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zurj said:
Pretty sure it will. Simple math. If fewer people are able to ride ToT with FP, then less of the ride's capacity is dedicated to FP users.
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That's not how it works. The hourly allotment of FP will stay the same because the number available is based on hourly capacity, not what tier it's in. Whether it's in tier 1 or tier 2 isn't going to make a difference. If people want the ToT FastPass or nothing else is available, they'll take it.
 
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BigThunderMatt

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Honestly, can we just get 100% paid for unlimited FastPass and get this over with? I get it isn't popular with those who find it bougie but at the end of the day I would pay for it just to avoid all this garbage.
 
JillC LI

JillC LI

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zurj said:
Better than all those people getting FP for multiple rides

Wrong.
Scenario A: John gets FP for TSMM with Tier 1. John gets FP for ToT with Tier 2.
Scenario B: John gets FP for TSMM with Tier 1. No FP available now for ToT with Tier 2. OR John gets FP for ToT with Tier 1. No FP available now for TSMM with Tier 1.

Scenario B has lower percentage of FP users clogging up total capacity, which means standby lines will move at a faster rate than otherwise with all things being equal.
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What @doctornick and @WDWFREAK53 said. You neglect to consider Sally getting that FP for TOT which John would otherwise have gotten. Just as many people on standby if not more now.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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3 FP reservations per day at non-MK parks has and always will be a mistake. Whether the change is 5 rides in T1 and 1 ride in T2 remains to be seen, but it wouldn't shock me. FP+ is a horrible system not because of functionality, but because of the arbitrary rules they've attached to it. Revert back to legacy rules and operate like MaxPass and guest satisfaction will increase.

Alternatively, do as was suggested previously and "check in" at various shows to clear out of the T2 Fastpass requirement, then hope day of Fastpasses are still available.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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RSoxNo1 said:
3 FP reservations per day at non-MK parks has and always will be a mistake. Whether the change is 5 rides in T1 and 1 ride in T2 remains to be seen, but it wouldn't shock me. FP+ is a horrible system not because of functionality, but because of the arbitrary rules they've attached to it. Revert back to legacy rules and operate like MaxPass and guest satisfaction will increase.

Alternatively, do as was suggested previously and "check in" at various shows to clear out of the T2 Fastpass requirement, then hope day of Fastpasses are still available.
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Well...they aren’t going away from fp+...because it provides them cost savings and data mining for free...so that can be bedded.

But it it were a hypothetical - here’s the problem:

How do you balance a maxpass price?
I’d its too cheap, then it becomes a standard and just a basic price increase.
If it’s too high, you get little usage. And even if it sells - doubling the gate is disasterous down the road. There is a ceiling to entertainment price before it fails under its own weight and that would be catastrophic to Disney.

There’s always a balance between turning to screws on people and jumping the shark. And you don’t want to be the Fonz
 
homerdance

homerdance

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zurj said:
But let's say, hypothetically, there are 100 people in the park. Each person gets to fastpass 2 rides. That makes 200 spots taken up by fastpass. If each person now only gets to fastpass 1 ride, then that cuts fastpass spots in half. Hence a lower percentage of the lines being dedicated to fastpass.

I think your point is that if 200 people came into the park, there would still be 200 total spots for fastpass... If correct, Disney is making a decision that instead of 100 people getting to take 2 fastpass spots each and 100 people getting to take no fastpass spots each, it would be better for them that 200 people each get 1 spot each.

I think we all agree that Disney does not want people in line longer than they have to be. They want people walking around the park buying $4 bottles of water, $8 cupcakes, and $40 T-shirts. The more time in line, the more time away from shopping and dining.
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Fast pass has zero impact on ride capacity. There are x amount of available slots per hour. By removing fast pass all you do is increase the standby lines. To think somehow fastpass has some how made less people able to ride is dumb.
 
biggy H

biggy H

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With the current system we know that there isnt enough FP+ for every guest to have a FP regardless of the ride.

So a bit of math...
Basic assumptions, guests ride each ride once, guest numbers don't increase, park capacity 4000 and we have 4 rides which have enough FP+ for 100 people. That means we have 400 fast pass slots. If 1 person could have 2 FP that means we would have 3800 people who could not get a FP and they would be in the standby lines, spread evenly thats 950 per ride. Now if guests can only make one FP that means we 3600 without a FP and therefore 900 in the standby line. So it looks the standby lines will be shorter, a bit of a no brainer. If you add in multi rides then it would increase both by the same amount.
Now wait times will increase due to any increase in guest numbers but it would increase the same for both scenarios as the number of fastpasses is already at its maximum limit.

Makes any sense?
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Networth said:
Can I bounce around park to park with no limit and no tiers same day?

If so here is my card. Sick of all this pain in the **** FP+ non sense.
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So you think $2500 for the rides you have already paid to have access to is the wave of the future?

It could be...in that it’s stiff enough to NOT flood the place with it.

By the way...I have some lovely property In Monroe County to show you...ocean in the front, rivers in the back 😉
 

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