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Changes to Fastpass+ Tiers at Hollywood Studios Effective 8.29

Magic Feather

Well-Known Member
Is that just at opening or forever? I ask because the entrance seemed to have three line options, just like MFSR.
Should be forever. Two of the "three lines" you saw were Fastpass line entrances. It is set up like the new TSMM FP entrance or FoP with four touchpoint instead of two. All new rides with a decent capacity are being built with four touchpoint to alleviate the congestion and backups that two caused.
 

CAV

Active Member
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It would be interesting to know what % of fast passes at DHS are just thrown away. We never use all 3, and either schedule the first one early enough so that we miss it, or schedule the last one as close as possible in distance to our 2nd so that we can just scan and not ride. CMs seem used to people saying that they are 2 hours early and they only want to scan and leave to go to another park.
I have a "fear" about that. Big Brother Mickey knows everything you do. I fear that if you are getting FPs and not using them, the system will start locking you out of getting FPs based on your history.
 

Markiewong

Active Member
If you’re going to another park, you don’t need to book throw-away FPs.

Just book the one you want and when you tap in you can go ahead and make the remaining two of your initial FPs at another park.

You only need to use up your tier2 FPs if you want to try for another tier1 in the same park.
One question, if I only book my tier1 FPs in Epcot or Hollywood Studios and no/only one of tier 2. Can I try booking my second/third FP in the same park in the tier1 category upon checking in my last fastpass?
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
One question, if I only book my tier1 FPs in Epcot or Hollywood Studios and no/only one of tier 2. Can I try booking my second/third FP in the same park in the tier1 category upon checking in my last fastpass?
Nope. For the first park you make FPs in, you must use three FPs before you can book another tier 1. You can book another tier 1 in another park though.
 

Markiewong

Active Member
Nope. For the first park you make FPs in, you must use three FPs before you can book another tier 1. You can book another tier 1 in another park though.
But what happens if I only book a tier1 and not book the other two at all? Will the app force me to book two tier2 FPs one by one? In general, what would be suggested as strategy for HS now that almost all attractions are moved into tier1?
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
But what happens if I only book a tier1 and not book the other two at all? Will the app force me to book two tier2 FPs one by one? In general, what would be suggested as strategy for HS now that almost all attractions are moved into tier1?
Yes, it would force you. What I would do is book my tier 1 as early as possible, then book a tier 2 as soon as I tap in to my tier 1. Then go and tap in to my tier 2 but don't actually ride or attend the show if if I don't want to. Book my third tier 2 and do the same. Then you are free to try to book other tier 1s.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
Thanks! This is something I didn’t know. Useful when starting at DHS in particular.
Exactly what I did. I had a business trip to Orlando in May, so went solo with a park hopper. Did Slinky and RnRC with FPs early afternoon, then once I tapped into RnRC I immediately booked a FP for Test Track, and headed over to Epcot. Also got one for Soarin after that. Stayed for F&G food and my last ever viewing of RoE. That was a great day.
 

TimeTrip

Well-Known Member
Yes, it would force you. What I would do is book my tier 1 as early as possible, then book a tier 2 as soon as I tap in to my tier 1. Then go and tap in to my tier 2 but don't actually ride or attend the show if if I don't want to. Book my third tier 2 and do the same. Then you are free to try to book other tier 1s.
Do you have to do in-park? Or can you book all 3 ahead of time for the morning (one tier 1 and two tier 2), tap in on all, and then get another tier 1? Or are you betting that you can book the tier2's for an earlier time than pre-booking because you tapped then booked therefore getting around the pre-booking overlap restriction?
 

dryerlintfan

Well-Known Member
Do you have to do in-park? Or can you book all 3 ahead of time for the morning (one tier 1 and two tier 2), tap in on all, and then get another tier 1? Or are you betting that you can book the tier2's for an earlier time than pre-booking because you tapped then booked therefore getting around the pre-booking overlap restriction?
If you book them ahead of time they're laid out in hour long windows. So you would burn one at 9, one at 10, one at 11.

If you do as suggested in the previous post, you'd burn one at 9, likely ride that ride, so then you could burn the next at 9:15 ish, and the next at 9:20. Then you could try for another tier one FP by 9:30 instead of 11:05 or whatever
 
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Kevin_W

Well-Known Member
If you’re going to another park, you don’t need to book throw-away FPs.

Just book the one you want and when you tap in you can go ahead and make the remaining two of your initial FPs at another park.

You only need to use up your tier2 FPs if you want to try for another tier1 in the same park.
I did not realize that. thanks.
 

nickys

Premium Member
One question, if I only book my tier1 FPs in Epcot or Hollywood Studios and no/only one of tier 2. Can I try booking my second/third FP in the same park in the tier1 category upon checking in my last fastpass?
No.

If you are staying in the same park, you must use two tier2 FPs before trying to get another tier1 FP. You can tap in and not ride, or let them expire. But letting them expire does not always work, especially if you are not in the park at the time of the FP or they are after the tier1 FP.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
No.

If you are staying in the same park, you must use two tier2 FPs before trying to get another tier1 FP. You can tap in and not ride, or let them expire. But letting them expire does not always work, especially if you are not in the park at the time of the FP or they are after the tier1 FP.
@nickys Do you know what happens if you use a FP in park A, then book one in park B, then modify/delete (or let expire) and book one in park A again?
 

nickys

Premium Member
@nickys Do you know what happens if you use a FP in park A, then book one in park B, then modify/delete (or let expire) and book one in park A again?
You have three initial FPs that can be pre-booked or booked on the day.

So your suggestion is to pre-book #1 at AK, for example. I assume a tier1.

Use it, then book #2 at MK. That’s fine so far.

- If you delete it, you’re back to square one, you’ve only used one of those initial FPs.
- By modify it, what are you modifying it to? You could keep checking to see if you could bring it forward I guess. Or change it to another ride. Either way, fine so far again.

I think you would need to enter that park to be able to let it expire for it to count. (Bearing in mind the risk associated with that, I always recommend the “tap and run” method).

So let’s say you do actually ride it, or tap in at least. You then want to make #3 back at AK? That would have to be a tier2, before you could book another tier1 because it’s in the same park as another of your initial FPs.

So if your idea is to circumvent the tier rules, you’d be better off using tap and run, and/or modify #2&3 forward to an earlier time.

You can only circumvent the tiers by going to a different park.

You can book FoP, tap in and whilst in line book Soarin and SE. #2&3 are in the same park so must follow the tier rules at Epcot.

Or

You can book FoP, tap in and then book Soarin and TSMM. All 3 are in different parks, so no tier rules apply.
 

HoustonHorn

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
You have three initial FPs that can be pre-booked or booked on the day.

So your suggestion is to pre-book #1 at AK, for example. I assume a tier1.

Use it, then book #2 at MK. That’s fine so far.

- If you delete it, you’re back to square one, you’ve only used one of those initial FPs.
- By modify it, what are you modifying it to? You could keep checking to see if you could bring it forward I guess. Or change it to another ride. Either way, fine so far again.

I think you would need to enter that park to be able to let it expire for it to count. (Bearing in mind the risk associated with that, I always recommend the “tap and run” method).

So let’s say you do actually ride it, or tap in at least. You then want to make #3 back at AK? That would have to be a tier2, before you could book another tier1 because it’s in the same park as another of your initial FPs.

So if your idea is to circumvent the tier rules, you’d be better off using tap and run, and/or modify #2&3 forward to an earlier time.

You can only circumvent the tiers by going to a different park.

You can book FoP, tap in and whilst in line book Soarin and SE. #2&3 are in the same park so must follow the tier rules at Epcot.

Or

You can book FoP, tap in and then book Soarin and TSMM. All 3 are in different parks, so no tier rules apply.
I don't know if anyone else here appreciates your intimate familiarity with the FP+ rules, but I do.

But this is a layer of complexity that is about as ridiculous as the current MGM and EPCOT tiers. If FP is here to stay, they should ditch the tiers (they could manipulate crowds in other ways, like having some rides have 50% of capacity reserved for FP, and others at the current 80%) and let anyone with a parkhopper ticket make their initial FP reservations in multiple parks.
 

nickys

Premium Member
I don't know if anyone else here appreciates your intimate familiarity with the FP+ rules, but I do.

But this is a layer of complexity that is about as ridiculous as the current MGM and EPCOT tiers. If FP is here to stay, they should ditch the tiers (they could manipulate crowds in other ways, like having some rides have 50% of capacity reserved for FP, and others at the current 80%) and let anyone with a parkhopper ticket make their initial FP reservations in multiple parks.
They trialled the multiple parks thing this summer with a very select few guests who were invited to try it.

Haven’t heard anything else since. 🤷‍♀️
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Is it possible they might let you select up to 2 "Tier 1" attractions?

Tier 1: RotR, MFSR, SDD, MMRR

Tier 2: ToT, RnRC, Alien, TSM, Star Tours, Frozen, Indy, VotLM, BatB, F!, Disney Junior,
Yeah, this is the move once all rides have Fastpass.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
People still want to be "guaranteed" a Pandora ride. Without tiers, starting perhaps 55 days out, there'd be no Pandora FPs available. With tiers, sometimes there are still NRJ FPs available at 30 days. FoP still routinely sells out about 63 days out. There is an expectation that they'll make an effort to ensure at least the Resort guests get a ride. This was similarly the thought with having no FP at SWGE at first and having Extra Extra Magic Hours instead.

Personally, I would have had the EEMH 12/5/19 through 1/5/20, when I think they'll be needed. But they didn't ask me.
Availability for NRJ is improving. For me the solution to tiers is to drop advanced bookings at DHS, Epcot and DAK to two instead of three. I know crowds are very light right now, but there's plenty of NRJ availability for tomorrow.
 
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