Cast Member Wages

[216bruce]

All true. You are SUPPOSED to "do the absolute best" you can for your family. That shouldn't have to be a revelation any more than the mom who says about her kids 'they aren't criminals', "I do what's right'. Why are these basic assumed behaviors and roles of parents and adults suddenly a proclamation of what is right and a surprise to some, let a alone a cause of celebration? None of that is a big deal. Sorry, it isn't. That's how things in a responsible 'society' are. The 'deal' is that a persons role is SUPPOSED to go beyond that and be more than that, to contribute to others less fortunate, to, at times, (and this is a shocker), sacrifice what may be best or god forbid what you want for you for the good of the majority. My lord we live in a selfish, arrogant society.

 

[NelsonRD]

All true. You are SUPPOSED to "do the absolute best" you can for your family. That shouldn't have to be a revelation any more than the mom who says about her kids 'they aren't criminals', "I do what's right'. Why are these basic assumed behaviors and roles of parents and adults suddenly a proclamation of what is right and a surprise to some, let a alone a cause of celebration? None of that is a big deal. Sorry, it isn't. That's how things in a responsible 'society' are. The 'deal' is that a persons role is SUPPOSED to go beyond that and be more than that, to contribute to others less fortunate, to, at times, (and this is a shocker), sacrifice what may be best or god forbid what you want for you for the good of the majority. My lord we live in a selfish, arrogant society.

Only 50% of the population in this country pay taxes. The top 10% pay 70% of all the taxes collected. I believe everybody has an opportunity to contribute to society, even the poor. I contribute to the less fortunate every paycheck, and I sacrifice daily by living within my means. Everybody attempts to keep as much as they can, and by definition, everybody is selfish.

 

[xdan0920]

Well what's it going to be like when your law enforcement, nurses, teachers, business owners, tech workers... cannot comfortably afford to live in most regions of the U.S.? (And no, that is not an exaggerated forecast if the current cost of living trends continue). Should those people be told they simply need to smile bigger, work harder, step up productivity, and their worries will disappear?

Yep. Just grab those bootstraps and bootstrap up! In NJ our pension system has been robbed blind by our state government. So now, the pensions promised to folks like my wife, who is 10 years on the job as a middle school teacher may not be there when she retires. She has paid into it for a decade, and it was promised to her as part of the job compensation. She hasn't gotten a true raise in 5 years, and doesn't look to be getting one anytime soon. What should she do? Bootstrap up!!!!

It terrifies me that there are actually people on this board (or in existence, for that matter), who are so dismissive of the societal issues separating America. If you can't see that it's an issue at Disney, there's no hope for you.

Nope. People love, LOVE to defend the rich in this country. Like they need any defense a lowly "middle classer" can offer. Over population, and heavily skewed wage growth are destroying our economy and our government(bc they keep paying out more and more and more in gov benefits) and the answer is, GRAB YOUR BOOTSTRAPS!!!!

 

[aw14]

All true. You are SUPPOSED to "do the absolute best" you can for your family. That shouldn't have to be a revelation any more than the mom who says about her kids 'they aren't criminals', "I do what's right'. Why are these basic assumed behaviors and roles of parents and adults suddenly a proclamation of what is right and a surprise to some, let a alone a cause of celebration? None of that is a big deal. Sorry, it isn't. That's how things in a responsible 'society' are. The 'deal' is that a persons role is SUPPOSED to go beyond that and be more than that, to contribute to others less fortunate, to, at times, (and this is a shocker), sacrifice what may be best or god forbid what you want for you for the good of the majority. My lord we live in a selfish, arrogant society.

Supposed to go beyond that? Both myself and my DW (@awheartsdw) give to the less fortunate. It becomes an issue when the government forces that, which is further solidified by the silly commentary of many on here. Its great to have a bleeding heart, but it will eventually dry out.

Your comment about selfish and arrogant is ridiculous (no disrespect) you have just described every person I have ever met in my life.

 

[Matt_Black]

Only 50% of the population in this country pay taxes. The top 10% pay 70% of all the taxes collected. I believe everybody has an opportunity to contribute to society, even the poor.

And they DO. Aside from the fact that many government assistance programs, like unemployment benefits, are subject to federal taxes, poor people also pay sales tax on everything they buy.

 

[Disney.Mike]

@Matt_Black ,

Um no... they absolutely do not contribute... if you pay 200$ a month in taxes, but receive 400$ a month in "assistance" you are not contributing.

Thats what the people who get the 7-10k checks back at tax time... "It be muh tax money I done payed in"... no you didnt even make 10k all year... its my tax money you're getting back.

 

[Matt_Black]

@Matt_Black ,

Um no... they absolutely do not contribute... if you pay 200$ a month in taxes, but receive 400$ a month in "assistance" you are not contributing.

Thats what the people who get the 7-10k checks back at tax time... "It be muh tax money I done payed in"... no you didnt even make 10k all year... its my tax money you're getting back.

Conveniently ignoring the sales tax bit, aren't you? Poor people who happen to own a home (ramshackle though it might be in some cases) are also probably going to be paying property taxes. But that doesn't fit the "poor are leeches" narrative you're peddling, does it?

 

[Disney.Mike]

No I'm not ignoring anything, You're ignoring math. If you pay in 200$ a month from all sources, property, gas, sales, income ect but get more than 200$ a month in assistance you are not contributing. And lets not forget the inflated "income tax return" checks the poor gets... Where they get 5-10k back when they only paid in 1500 in fed taxes...

 

[Matt_Black]

Do you have sources for that claim?

 

[Disney.Mike]

https://www.taxact.com/tax-information/about-your-taxes/earned-income-credit.asp

Earned Income Credit (EITC or EIC)
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If you earn income and make less than $47,747 in 2015 ($53,267 if filing jointly), you may qualify for the earned income credit. This credit is refundable – meaning you may get more money in your refund than you had withheld from your pay. In fact, you may get money back even if you didn't have any income tax withheld from your pay.

 

[Disney.Mike]

https://www.taxslayer.com/support/208/how-do-i-figure-my-eic-or-earned-income-credit?language=1

 

[NelsonRD]

And they DO. Aside from the fact that many government assistance programs, like unemployment benefits, are subject to federal taxes, poor people also pay sales tax on everything they buy.

It is not tax I was referring to. I was referring to contributing to society, making a difference, and being a better person. We criticize the rich on their behavior, but look the other way on the poor. My comment was we all have a part in society.

 

[flynnibus]

I couldn't disagree more. I think the vast majority would "all accept". You make a large assumption that this behavior isn't responsible. It seems your definition of responsible is far different from mine. It is responsible of me to do the ABSOLUTE best I can for my family, not someone else. No where is our founding documents does it mention being someone else's keeper.

Because your mindset is blind to the consequences such thinking has if you actually play it out to its fullest. Resources are not unlimited, and you are NOT self-sufficient in this world. You rely on the success of others to fill those grocery store shelves you buy your necessities from. You rely on the success of others to power that computer you are using. You rely on the success of others to build that house you live in.

Do you really think you live on an island? Do you do think you can exist as you do today without anyone else?

You can not gorge without consequences. If you actually lived a substance lifestyle, you'd understand you must have balance to ensure that what you have today, will be there tomorrow as well. You can't just gorge yourself today, and ignore the impact. The same happens in actual economics and business. You can't act irresponsible and ignore the consequences of those actions.

This is the real issue... we live in such a consumer society now that people think money will actually get them everything they need.. so as long as I get as much as I can, everything will be fine.... completely ambivalent to the consequences of irresponsible behavior.

When businesses act irresponsible and fail... and then the system you rely on is no longer there, what is your money going to do for you? Are you going to eat it? Will you plant it in the ground? Are you just going to buy everything you possible need in life?

This complete detachment from actual community living or substance living is a big part of our society's problem IMO. People think 'me me me plus my money is all I need'.

I think we should force every 16yr old to live on their own in the wilderness in a small community for 6months. Then test them with things like having to create their own necessities, learning what it means when someone takes something you actually need to function, to learn what it means to truly appreciate the assistance of community to complete something you need, to learn you can't get everything you need yourself with just a credit card (like needing a blacksmith), learn to barter/trade actual work for value. Then maybe the general population would respect the idea of don't take just because you can... that would negatively impact someone else... to appreciate what it means to create something... to appreciate work... to appreciate help.. to appreciate that your life will be better when people help each other instead of just trying to step over each other.

If all you think matters is to get MORE MORE MORE.. then you are doomed in the long run.
If at the office you are only concerned with getting YOUR raise at the expense of everything else.. what happens when the team can't sustain the headcount it needs.. or the product sales faulter because the company's overhead is too high because everyone is only concerned with getting MORE MORE MORE for themselves?

Greed is not independent of consequence. Selfishness only leads to it being YOU vs everyone else. A position you really don't want to be in when you actually NEED someone else.

The idea of "im the only one that matters" is short-term thinking that is predicated on this falsehood that you are really self-sufficent. You aren't.

I have had this conversation with my 13 year old DD. She has an A in math. So she needs to drop to a B and bring the kid next to her with a C up to a B with the points she gives back. Does not matter that she earned that grade, its only fair. Same logic

Not the same logic... Your daughter isn't contending with other people over anything to get evaluated for her grade. She's not fighting for finite resources to be scored. Maybe you guys should take a Logic class together?

Or maybe you should teach her in the future, she will be alone and will need help, and if she's never helped anyone else, or doesn't respect other people, they probably won't be interested in working with her to help her through the studying she needs to learn the material.

Because when she was so concerned about ME ME ME, she was ignoring the fact that she will not always be able to do it all herself, and if you actually invest in those around you, you might actually bring EVERYONE up.

 

[flynnibus]

Only 50% of the population in this country pay taxes. The top 10% pay 70% of all the taxes collected

More facts without comprehension. You are talking INCOME TAXES - not taxes in general. Trust me, that person you just stiff armed to buy your starbucks is paying property taxes, is paying sales taxes, is paying payroll taxes, is paying consumption taxes, is paying gas taxes, etc.

I believe everybody has an opportunity to contribute to society, even the poor. I contribute to the less fortunate every paycheck, and I sacrifice daily by living within my means. Everybody attempts to keep as much as they can, and by definition, everybody is selfish.

Did you really equate paying taxes to 'contributing to the less fortunate'?? I hope your car gets wrecked by a pothole on the way home... and then we'll talk about how if only you had helped the less fortunate more, your car would still be ok.

 

[KordovaJD]

More facts without comprehension. You are talking INCOME TAXES - not taxes in general. Trust me, that person you just stiff armed to buy your starbucks is paying property taxes, is paying sales taxes, is paying payroll taxes, is paying consumption taxes, is paying gas taxes, etc.

What percentage of American's do you think own their homes? You mean to tell me that you believe most people pay property taxes? Not a chance. Only about 62.1% of Americans own real estate or taxable personal property (in states where personal property for non-business use is taxed). By the time you account for deductions, exemptions and rebates, the percentage that pay property tax is safely under 50%. Further the percentage of payroll taxes paid by a low income worker should be about 7.2%. That pales in comparison tot he 15.4% that most high wage earners pay if self employed, and is every worse when you consider the 15%-25% capital gains taxes which would be paid on investment properties depending on term held.

Did you really equate paying taxes to 'contributing to the less fortunate'?? I hope your car gets wrecked by a pothole on the way home... and then we'll talk about how if only you had helped the less fortunate more, your car would still be ok.

About 48.7 percent of all government spending in 2015 was to support entitlement programs. I do not benefit from entitlement programs as I earn too much money.

So, yes, paying taxes is exactly that, contributing to the less fortunate, at least 48.7 percent of the time.

 

[NelsonRD]

More facts without comprehension. You are talking INCOME TAXES - not taxes in general. Trust me, that person you just stiff armed to buy your starbucks is paying property taxes, is paying sales taxes, is paying payroll taxes, is paying consumption taxes, is paying gas taxes, etc.

Did you really equate paying taxes to 'contributing to the less fortunate'?? I hope your car gets wrecked by a pothole on the way home... and then we'll talk about how if only you had helped the less fortunate more, your car would still be ok.

Whats your problem? And yes, paying taxes (both income and sales) contributes to several social services that help the poor daily. In NY, there is heating assistance, communication assistance, rent assistance, food assistance, health assistance, to name a few. This does not include all the clothing, school supply, toy, and food drives that occur over the year. This also does not include my personal contributions to special causes, and other positive contributions I make such as the fire department, cancer research, among others.

We constantly placate the poor as if nothing is their fault. My point this time, was the poor can contribute to society, by making this world a better place to live. Able bodied poor can help with fixing such potholes, and painting brides, removing graffiti, mowing the side of state roads, and on and on.

But again, your on your hatred rant, and your incapable of understanding any other side other than your own.

 

[flynnibus]

What percentage of American's do you think own their homes? You mean to tell me that you believe most people pay property taxes? Not a chance. Only about 62.1% of Americans own real estate or taxable personal property (in states where personal property for non-business use is taxed)

Do you think rental properties are excluded from paying property tax? Where do you think the money that the landlord uses to pay the tax comes from?
Do you realize property tax is paid for more than homes around this country?

Further the percentage of payroll taxes paid by a low income worker should be about 7.2%. That pales in comparison tot he 15.4% that most high wage earners pay if self employed, and is every worse when you consider the 15%-25% capital gains taxes which would be paid on investment properties depending on term held.

To which I say... who cares. It doesn't change the point that they are paying taxes - contrary to the statement made. FICA and Medicare are paid by all. Your list failed to acknowledge all the consumption taxes too.. So what about my statement was incorrect?

About 48.7 percent of all government spending in 2015 was to support entitlement programs. I do not benefit from entitlement programs as I earn too much money.

Cite? Because Social Security is not an 'entitlement' program.. nor is Medicare.

Did someone let you procreate and have children? Was paying for your local parks, libraries, roads, schools, business development, snow removal, and more 'contributing to the less fortunate'?

What is most fascinating is how the internet has made people MORE stupid.

 

[flynnibus]

Whats your problem? And yes, paying taxes (both income and sales) contributes to several social services that help the poor daily.

You said 50% don't pay taxes - false
You equated paying your share of taxes are being about supporting the less fortunate... yet ignoring everything you consume and benefit from. It's deplorable thinking... selfish and privileged.

 

[xdan0920]

Cite? Because Social Security is not an 'entitlement' program.. nor is Medicare.

Actually, those are the two biggest entitlement programs, federally.

Though, I do think there is some confusion regarding the term entitlement. It seems like the "entitlement" being discussed here isn't actually entitlement programs, but social programs (welfare).

 

[KordovaJD]

Did someone let you procreate and have children? Was paying for your local parks, libraries, roads, schools, business development, snow removal, and more 'contributing to the less fortunate'?

What is most fascinating is how the internet has made people MORE stupid.

Hey, you're the one who made this an ad hominem argument. If you want to compare educational pedigree and CV's, I'm fine with that.

And if you're curious...

Ad Hominem: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hominem attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.