MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

Agent H

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I have thought more about this and I again see a double standard in TWDC.

In their movie business, when they have a bad test screening, they will re shoot and re shoot and go over budget to try to fix the problem for a movie no one will remember a month after its out of the theater.

In their theme park business when they reach their budget, instead spending the money to deliver the attraction they wanted to, they will "scope cut" and deliver a lesser attraction that will be around for 20 years or so.
Well they have been trying to cut down on this. But yes they spend more on movies and tv shows because those divisions will die without consistent investment. As opposed to the parks which Can float (for a while anyway) on their own as opposed to film and television where it’s sink or swim.
 

James Alucobond

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In their movie business, when they have a bad test screening, they will re shoot and re shoot and go over budget to try to fix the problem for a movie no one will remember a month after its out of the theater.

In their theme park business when they reach their budget, instead spending the money to deliver the attraction they wanted to, they will "scope cut" and deliver a lesser attraction that will be around for 20 years or so.
They probably have a much clearer view into what the return on investment will be for an attraction in the parks versus what it will be for a film. Attraction additions and refreshes are part of a pre-existing parks ecosystem with more or less "known" attendance and a good understanding of how different kinds of attractions influence visitor behavior, so having a fairly explicit cap set on the budget makes a good deal of sense. With films, there are a lot more variables that might encourage you to spend beyond your initial budget in search of better box office results, though it's obviously gotten a bit out of hand in some cases (and would be avoidable if someone spoke up earlier).
 

Disstevefan1

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Well they have been trying to cut down on this. But yes they spend more on movies and tv shows because those divisions will die without consistent investment. As opposed to the parks which Can float (for a while anyway) on their own as opposed to film and television where it’s sink or swim.
Pure speculation on my part, for attractions, Imagineering says to the finance department "We can build Cars land for this much" then the finance department says, "We will only give you this much, make it work".

Sort of what Walt and Roy used argue over, but today, the finance department always wins.
 

Agent H

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Pure speculation on my part, for attractions, Imagineering says to the finance department "We can build Cars land for this much" then the finance department says, "We will only give you this much, make it work".

Sort of what Walt and Roy used argue over, but today, the finance department always wins.
I do believe this is what happens at the start but the finance department always wins? I’m not so sure about that.
 

TheMaxRebo

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Pure speculation on my part, for attractions, Imagineering says to the finance department "We can build Cars land for this much" then the finance department says, "We will only give you this much, make it work".

Sort of what Walt and Roy used argue over, but today, the finance department always wins.

Probably to some extent - it does seem in the past Walt would get what funding he needed for his projects and Roy would figure it out (if it wasn't something he was personally involved with then the budget would be an issue then)

My hop (and they can prov me right or wrong) is they know they have to get it right with this project - only get to fully in the rivers of America once - and as such will get the budget needed and more likely other projects see theirs cut

Obviously large macro things can totally change the entire playing board
 

Disstevefan1

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They probably have a much clearer view into what the return on investment will be for an attraction in the parks versus what it will be for a film. Attraction additions and refreshes are part of a pre-existing parks ecosystem with more or less "known" attendance and a good understanding of how different kinds of attractions influence visitor behavior, so having a fairly explicit cap set on the budget makes a good deal of sense. With films, there are a lot more variables that might encourage you to spend beyond your initial budget in search of better box office results, though it's obviously gotten a bit out of hand in some cases (and would be avoidable if someone spoke up earlier).
With the rise of LLMP, LLSP and LLPP, we can hope this will possibly influence the company to create better attractions with maybe higher budgets.
 

Disgruntled Walt

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In the Parks
No
I was referring to members of this board. This has nothing to do with anything I was saying. Some people here are just stuck dooming and glooming. Even if it does stink replacing the river, would a little optimism kill you?

And YES, the design and service of somethings are undefendably less than they used to, and management has made some questionable decisions. But while it’s ok to say you aren’t excited and think removing the river will be a bad move and you THINK cars will be bad, I don’t think it’s fair to say that you know for sure it’ll suck before any work has been done and the river has even closed.
Look, pal, if there were something to celebrate, I would do it. If I had any reason for optimism, I would be optimistic. The fact is, most of what they've done recently, and for an increasingly long and unignorable amount of time, has sucked.

There is one thing I can celebrate:
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And it's sad that that's all I can say.
 

WaltWiz1901

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"That's SIR Tow Mater to you!"
They were originally going to call the character "Bob the Tow Mater" (like Larry the Cable Guy), but they couldn't due to fear of being sued...View attachment 846494
much belated reply, but I'd be amiss if I didn't say that the jokes that have arisen are perhaps the best thing about all the darkness figuratively looming ahead. this exchange is a shining example
 

Mr. Sullivan

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First Look: Disney Unveils New Cars-Themed Ride Vehicle Designs for Magic Kingdom Expansion​

It’s almost as if everybody freaking out over the vehicles they were riding in during their research trip was for nothing and, ad many of us said, that’s not what the ride vehicles were ever going to look like.
 

Jambo Dad

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Corporate nI do believe this is what happens at the start but the finance department always wins? I’m not so sure about that.
I think whether Finance ‘wins’ or not probably varies, but the difference is both sides are just nobodies that don’t have a fraction of the passion that the Disney brothers had. The mere idea that ripping out ROA is on the table just shows they are ill equipped to being given the keys to make a decision like this.
 

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