News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[UNCgolf]

I'm sure you have lots of things to do, getting ready for the holiday in the Penguin household, but would you mind terribly citing some of these posts? Because I feel like I would have noticed if people were saying this, and I've been on these forums for as long as Jacob Marley's been dead (that is, 7 years ago, though not this very night).

I don't think people were saying it out loud 5 years ago, but since this was announced several insiders have said that it has been under consideration to eliminate for years.

 

[Casper Gutman]

This won’t improve bottlenecks because the paths won’t be widened. It will increase the bottlenecks by increasing traffic. And instead of an expansive, scenic body of water, the bottleneck will be against a thin row of trees.

The views from Splash and Thunder will be ruined. Splash will go from its striking view of the castle and river to a view of an unthemed flat roof.

Haunted Mansion will now be looking at cars with googly-eyes in a straight-to-DVD landscape.

If folks want to cheer the change, fine. But I’m tired of the endless refusal to accept the information we have because it’s unpleasant.

 

[Yellow Strap]

This won’t improve bottlenecks because the paths won’t be widened. It will increase the bottlenecks by increasing traffic. And instead of an expansive, scenic body of water, the bottleneck will be against a thin row of trees.

The views from Splash and Thunder will be ruined. Splash will go from its striking view of the castle and river to a view of an unthemed flat roof.

Haunted Mansion will now be looking at cars with googly-eyes in a straight-to-DVD landscape.

If folks want to cheer the change, fine. But I’m tired of the endless refusal to accept the information we have because it’s unpleasant.

Where did you get your time machine and can I have a ride?

 

[Bocabear]

Where did you get your time machine and can I have a ride?

no, he has a point... it will bring more people into the park, more people , more congestion... And unless the paths are the scale of the World Showcase promenade, it is going to be packed with people.... The walk along the ROA (parade route) is very wide and even so always feels pretty crowded...before getting to the bottleneck going to Tiana and Big Thunder... SO yeah, I think it will be just as congested as it is now... maybe more so because of an influx of visitors....at least for 3-5 years...depending of course on the quality of the finished project...

 

[JackCH]

This won’t improve bottlenecks because the paths won’t be widened. It will increase the bottlenecks by increasing traffic. And instead of an expansive, scenic body of water, the bottleneck will be against a thin row of trees.

A completed loop with multiple entrances and exits will certainly help bottlenecks over a dead end that forces everyone to use the same path and double-back. The worst area for traffic I have encountered at the park is by Big Thunder and Splash, two major attractions with only one way in and out. And heck even Haunted Mansion gets rough. This will help with that, even with some larger crowds because there will be a whole added area for that Cars ride for those people to go.

If folks want to cheer the change, fine. But I’m tired of the endless refusal to accept the information we have because it’s unpleasant.

Is this to me? What "information" am I denying? In fact, in general what are you referring to here?

 

[peter11435]

This won’t improve bottlenecks because the paths won’t be widened. It will increase the bottlenecks by increasing traffic. And instead of an expansive, scenic body of water, the bottleneck will be against a thin row of trees.

The views from Splash and Thunder will be ruined. Splash will go from its striking view of the castle and river to a view of an unthemed flat roof.

Haunted Mansion will now be looking at cars with googly-eyes in a straight-to-DVD landscape.

If folks want to cheer the change, fine. But I’m tired of the endless refusal to accept the information we have because it’s unpleasant.

I didn’t know you had the blueprints…

It will help traffic flow. Paths will be widened and altered in certain locations. Regardless the removal of a dead end will also improve flow.

The view from splash will not be of an unthemed flat roof.

You will not see cars or googly-eyes from the Haunted Mansion.

It’s funny you talk about accepting the information you have but are actually sitting here just flat out making up information.

 

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

no, he has a point... it will bring more people into the park, more people , more congestion...

since when was this a bad thing for Disney? more ticket sales, more lightning lane purchases, more merch and food sales…

If folks want to cheer the change, fine. But I’m tired of the endless refusal to accept the information we have because it’s unpleasant.

If folks want to protest the change, fine. But I’m tired of the endless refusal to accept new creations and original ideas we’re getting because it’s “unpleasant.”

 

[BrianLo]

I don't think people were saying it out loud 5 years ago, but since this was announced several insiders have said that it has been under consideration to eliminate for years.

They’ve been circling the Rivers in Tokyo too for over a decade now. Ironically it was also at one time for Cars.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The view from splash will not be of an unthemed flat roof.

Explain this one to me. Feel free to use the artwork Disney has released.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Where did you get your time machine and can I have a ride?

Hey, it’s the response that comes up every time posters use available evidence and past experience to point out problems with an upcoming project. Like Tiana. Like the EPCOT core. And then the project is complete and the problems prove real and… we move on to the next project and, “Oh, you have a Time Machine?”

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'm sure you have lots of things to do, getting ready for the holiday in the Penguin household, but would you mind terribly citing some of these posts? Because I feel like I would have noticed if people were saying this, and I've been on these forums for as long as Jacob Marley's been dead (that is, 7 years ago, though not this very night).

Penguins keep track of things. They're watching... always watching...

MK's River is indeed in danger, as is TSI.

No one is saying it will happen tomorrow but insiders have long said the rivers have been "looked at". Just because they do work on the Belle doesn't mean anything. We have no solid info saying they're in danger right now but plans at different times have existed I believe @marni1971

 

[peter11435]

Explain this one to me. Feel free to use the artwork Disney has released.

The artwork you’ve seen is not from the perspective of Splash Mountain. It’s also taken from a vantage point many times higher than guests riding Splash Mountain. It’s also a piece of art not blueprints and doesn’t represent exactly what is being built. Believe it or not there are no plans to change the Frontierland facades to perfectly match their Paris counterparts despite that art clearly showing the Lucky Nugget.

 

[danlb_2000]

Disney has responded to the SFWMD questions on the permit for this project. The permit now goes back to the SFWMD and they have 30 days to approve or as more questions.

Not sure if this was in the original documents, but if there was any doubt that the entire river was being remove...

 

[JD80]

Piston Peak should be right in the red, the rest should be obscured by trees or the rocks.

The queue/show building should be more to the left in the blue area.

Who knows what kind of rock/tree/whatever will be placed around this too.

 

[Advisable Joseph]

From the response letter:

8. Please explore practicable design modifications to reduce or eliminate adverse impacts to
wetland functions. This application does not sufficiently demonstrate that the applicant has
adequately pursued site plan alternatives that eliminate and/or reduce impacts to wetland
functions. Please submit supporting documentation to show how elimination and reduction
was achieved. [Section 10.2.1, Volume I].

Response: Mitigation for the proposed impacts (and all Long-Term Permit impacts) was
provided in Application No. 140801-15, the CFTOD/WDW Master Plan. As all wetlands
outside the WMCA were conceptually approved for potential impact under the
CFTOD/WDW Conceptual Permit (48-00714-P), no further avoidance and minimization is required.

(Emphasis mine.)
?!

Not sure if this was in the original documents, but if there was any doubt that the entire river was being remove...

Which document was this from?

 

[Blobbles]

Disney has responded to the SFWMD questions on the permit for this project. The permit now goes back to the SFWMD and they have 30 days to approve or as more questions.

Not sure if this was in the original documents, but if there was any doubt that the entire river was being remove...

View attachment 831629

Do you have a full version of the river diagram?

 

[DCBaker]

Which document was this from?

Page 3 in 240812-45165_407Basin_Plans6_SS.pdf

 

[JackCH]

Piston Peak should be right in the red

Could actually make for a cool view, if that mountain is well designed and with a waterfall.

And from everything we've seen, the Cars area will actually be built on the lower elevation of the River, correct? So it might not totally block the castle?

I do think the load building will be a little more to the right than where you have it, but it does look like trees/rockwork will cover it from Splash.

 

[JD80]

Could actually make for a cool view, if that mountain is well designed and with a waterfall.

And from everything we've seen, the Cars area will actually be built on the lower elevation of the River, correct? So it might not totally block the castle?

I do think the load building will be a little more to the right than where you have it, but it does look like trees/rockwork will cover it from Splash.

Caveat: We're basing all this on concept art which should be taken too seriously.

Some looks to be on the lower elevation, some look to be on the "ground level". I'm really interested in how this all works out from an elevation point of view. This is probably the most interesting infrastructure build WDW has done in decades outside of building DHS/AK 20-30 years ago.

 

[DCBaker]

Do you have a full version of the river diagram?

Here's a wider look - the file sizes are a little large, but this should allow you to zoom in: