EricsBiscuit
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The Mark Twain and Liberty Belle used to (might still be going on) compete as to who had the higher ridership. The Liberty Belle always won. There are many factors at play, just an interesting tidbit.
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MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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Disstevefan1
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Walk on attractions are so relaxing and magical.
Folks will miss them when there are none.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Yeah, I don't think some people really get how important it is for the overall experience to have things to do and see that do not require a long wait in a line.
JohnD
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I'm planning a trip to DLR in May and I'm learning things I didn't know. That wouldn't be an accurate comparison. In MK, the Liberty Belle is the only way around ROA. In DLP, you have the Mark Twain, the Columbia ship, and even the canoes. So you have two other options in DLP that WDW's MK doesn't have. I'm sure there are guests who choose all three in DLP but the odds are that, if guests choose one of the two other options, they're good for going around ROA and don't need to ride the Mark Twain. There is also the factor of Mark Twain probably closing early to prepare it for Fantasmic which is held at the base of TSI in DLP. Hence, Liberty Belle always having better ridership than Mark Twain, again being the only option in MK's ROA.
SamusAranX
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And that is good thing.
It’s actually a sign of an unhealthy (capacity wise) park if every line is long on most operating days of the park.
SamusAranX
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Not sure the reason for the hyperbole and sarcasm?
It’s not a stretch to say that if Disney is willing to remove an integral, themed area of the park that makes it cohesive, at the altar of LL revenue, then the moment any other classic attraction doesn’t bring enough ancillary revenue, it’s in danger.
Personally I think CoP will be next. Despite the fact Stitch is STILL sitting empty across the avenue.
lazyboy97o
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It’s so interesting how so many people want to spend more time stuck in a line or paying extra to skip them instead of having options available that don’t require either.
donaldtoo
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Actually, Disney is proving that only one thing, and one thing only is, indeed, sacred…
JohnD
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It's attitudes like that which result in Cars Land. Park Commandos complain about AK, for example, being a "half-day" park, leaving out the shows and animal walkways. There aren't additional "E tickets". Congratulations. Disney is listening to you. More rides to knock out. Less atmosphere. Hope you're happy.
Disstevefan1
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This will be the case after they destroy RoA, TSI and the riverboat.
JMcMahonEsq
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They were walk on's because people didn't have any interest in them.
While there are relaxing and magical to some small minority, they weren't to the majority of guests as no one wanted to experience them.
People didn't think about them when they were readily available, they aren't going to miss them when they are not.
Disstevefan1
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Yea that's what Bob, Josh and Hugh says.
JMcMahonEsq
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We are. It has nothing to do with Park Commandos, or leaving out shows or animal walk ways.
When something isn't attracting crowds or isn't in demand, it makes absolutely no sense to not seek to use the space in a manner that more people will like. No one cared about the River boat, people where not using it, weren't interested It makes no sense to tie up areas of the park which could be developed in ways that more people will enjoy.
JMcMahonEsq
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So you are saying all the people who have actual access to the data on utilization at the park and who and how many people are going to different rides/attractions are saying the same thing? Shocking.
Anyone with even a quarter of a brain says the same thing. For any business. If your customers don't care about and don't use/enjoy certain offerings you have, you make changes to offer them something else.
Orange is the new Red
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In the words of the Great Sara Palin, dig, baby dig!!! JK
Seriously though, ROA at DL is a focal point and hard to miss. It is living and breathing. There is alot happening out there.
Thats not the case at all with ROA at WDW. WDW's ROA is a complete failure in comparison to the DL version. It wasn't even Walts idea to put it out there in the Magic Kingdom and it shows. In all honesty, its off to the side and barely noticeable.I'm not going to tell anyone how to feel, but for me its always been an afterthought!
As I always say, I'll judge Cars when its done, but personally I won't miss the River and hopefully Frontierland. It always felt antiquated and a waste of space for me....
Disstevefan1
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You (and Bob, Josh and Hugh) are right.
There should be no walk on attractions, Walk on attractions is bad for business. All attractions should have full queues and (of course) SELL LLs.
You got me. I use much less than a quarter of my brain on a daily basis.
I am already missing CoP....
JohnD
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It just find it interesting that Walt Disney bought more than 27,000 acres because there was no lack of space to do things on his property compared to DLP. Yet DisneyCorp is cannibalizing space rather using extra space which it is more than capable of using. Can you imagine Walt Disney saying, "No one cared about the River, people where [sic] not using it, weren't interested. It makes no sense to tie up areas of the park which could be developed in ways that more people will enjoy." I can't. What's next? Fill up the waste of space that is World Showcase Lagoon?
Advisable Joseph
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From https://ocgis4.ocfl.net/Html5Viewer/Index.html?viewer=InfoMap_Public_HTML5.InfoMap_Public
This is the base map, with an aerial overlay slightly visible for context.
The canal is on the map to the lock and the only the lower part of RoA.
I can find something similar in an online hydrology map (waterbodies) for Orange County updated early this month: for the folks I DM'ed earlier, it was updated this month too. You would have to zoom in on the Magic Kingdom, if you use that link.
I believe the new pond is designed to overflow its north embankment dam, away from the Utilidors and into a series of slopes, and conduits leading to the new water management system.
mattpeto
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Agreed, but it's not like there isn't standby only/mostly walk on attractions at MK though. I think it's more nuanced that that.
Tiki Room, Country Bears, HoP, Philarmagic and I'm guessing we get a stage/theater show in Villains Land.
Trading TSI/ for rides that drive (no pun attended) demand can help capacity.
Advisable Joseph
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I'm trying to say I think Disney told Orange County that it will make the lower loop of Rivers of America into some sort of pond.