MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[CaptJackSparrow]

Speaking of Eddie

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Speaking of Eddie

It can be done. Unfortunately, today’s TWDC lacks imagination.

 

[Agent H]

It can be done. Unfortunately, today’s TWDC lacks imagination.

They do not lack imagination. They lack the will to do something like that.

 

[FettFan]

So sad to think an impending pandemic will kill all these new projects.

Given that Universal pushed forward to develop an entire new park in that same time period, Disney's flounderings with relatively miniscule projects and their outright failures (i.e. Galactic Starcruiser and Harmonious) seem even more ludicrous.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

Odd, then, for the recent SXSW event to show Villains Land on a slide.

Oh, I meant it would be on the chopping block if there were a recession, between it and Cars. They’re definitely still moving forward with it but if hits the fan, it’ll get cut since Cars is cheaper. Wouldn’t be surprised if Cars gets downsized to just the main ride, possibly even rescaled to fit the existing island so they don’t need to spend money on filling and re-landscaping.

 

[Agent H]

No that wasn't who had the debate. Eddie was replying to a post by Joshua Harris, who in another post got into an argument with WDW Pro. Eddie Sotto has nothing to do with WDW Pro, and we should definitely pay Eddie mind!

His name does not deserve to be in the same sentence as wdw pro!

 

[Coaster Lover]

It’s the furthest departure - the fact it doesn’t have a train is criminal, but it still resembles a castle park. Complete with an island and everything!

I guess my question is what is necessary to "resemble" a castle parks and how will the removal of ROA make MK resemble a castle parks any more/less than parks like Shanghai over Hong Kong? Is the presence/absence of an island (along with the presence of a castle) all that is needed?

 

[FettFan]

Oh, I meant it would be on the chopping block if there were a recession, between it and Cars. They’re definitely still moving forward with it but if hits the fan, it’ll get cut since Cars is cheaper. Wouldn’t be surprised if Cars gets downsized to just the main ride, possibly even rescaled to fit the existing island so they don’t need to spend money on filling and re-landscaping.

Even if they downsize to the existing TSI, a sizable chunk of ROA would still need to be filled in to allow foot traffic to the area.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Speaking of Eddie

I mean, I guess anything is possible - fitting a river wide enough for the boat that wouldn't impact TBA or BTM then the train shifting without impact the structure of TBA, plus a tunnel under the river which is already the bottom level ...

I was thinking about a way to keep the boat and a bit of the river but shorten it and just wondering if the boat can go in both directions and maybe have it be more of a form of transportation vs doing a loop and having two stops ... still would have the kinetic energy of the boat and the whistle, etc. but have a lot more room to play with

 

[lazyboy97o]

plus a tunnel under the river which is already the bottom level ...

There is no “bottom level”. They have bridges holding up navigable waterways, they have basements that were dug out elsewhere, they could under the Rivers if desired.

 

[JD80]

Speaking of Eddie

Good luck maintaining BTM ever again.

So just to keep this river we are:

1. Building out a whole new leg of railroad on ground that the railroad was never on.
2. Building out the river even more with more extensive track design and other mechanical issues that would need to be maintained.
3. Building a TUNNEL that goes under the river?
4. Creating an even worse choke point to get to BTM. While also creating more disjointed theming by having to walk past the HM to get to a desert mountain? Not to mention the people coming from Adventureland not even knowing how to get there.

C'mon. He didn't even draw in new bathrooms. It's a rough day when you need to use the facilities and you have to walk all the way from BTM to Repunzel's.

 

[Agent H]

I guess my question is what is necessary to "resemble" a castle parks and how will the removal of ROA make MK resemble a castle parks any more/less than parks like Shanghai over Hong Kong? Is the presence/absence of an island (along with the presence of a castle) all that is needed?

For me I think all you need is a castle a fantasyland and a Main Street type land. The rest is interchangeable. For instance a park that consists of Mickey avenue a mystic point a treasure cove a princess and the frog inspired New Orleans land a fantasyland that divides into several mini lands and a Tomorrowland that divides out into a Star Wars land a (good and built-out!)avengers campus and say a wall-e area sounds like a great park to me. Meanwhile some people probably cringed at what I just wrote. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Coaster Lover]

For me I think all you need is a castle a fantasyland and a Main Street type land.

See, I'm of the same mindset. I don't need all my castle parks to be the same/similar... in fact, I'd prefer they all be as different as possible. So long as they have lands that embody adventure, the future, and fantasy surrounding a castle, the rest can be literally anything.

 

[JD80]

There is no “bottom level”. They have bridges holding up navigable waterways, they have basements that were dug out elsewhere, they could under the Rivers if desired.

The could build a replica death star if they really wanted to.

Let's say we want to do this and I assume you want this tunnel to be ADA compliant?

• What is the level difference between TBA and the bottom of the river? 6'? 8'?
• What is the thickness of the ceiling of your tunnel going under a river? 2'? (I have no idea how thick the concrete is for ROA and or what utilities are under it if any)
• What is the height of the tunnel? 8'?

So to go from TBA and down below the tunnel we need to go maybe 16'? An ADA compliant ramp is a max of 30" rise per run. So we would need 6 runs where you are allowed 1 foot of elevation change per 12 foot of linear distance. A single 30" rise would need to be 30' long. In order to get down you would need 180' ramp not including landing space etc.

The distance between TBA area and the island is around 150' depending on where you measure.

So we just got down, but we didn't even get back up yet.

I guess we can build an elevator shaft with some switch back stairs that's 2-3 stories tall going straight down somewhere. I wouldn't want to have to design the drainage system for this tunnel.

Maybe it's late and I didn't do my math right.

Oh wait, the island itself isn't ADA compliant anyway so who cares.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The could build a replica death star if they really wanted to.

Let's say we want to do this and I assume you want this tunnel to be ADA compliant?

• What is the level difference between TBA and the bottom of the river? 6'? 8'?
• What is the thickness of the ceiling of your tunnel going under a river? 2'? (I have no idea how thick the concrete is for ROA and or what utilities are under it if any)
• What is the height of the tunnel? 8'?

So to go from TBA and down below the tunnel we need to go maybe 16'? An ADA compliant ramp is a max of 30" rise per run. So we would need 6 runs where you are allowed 1 foot of elevation change per 12 foot of linear distance. A single 30" rise would need to be 30' long. In order to get down you would need 180' ramp not including landing space etc.

The distance between TBA area and the island is around 150' depending on where you measure.

So we just got down, but we didn't even get back up yet.

I guess we can build an elevator shaft with some switch back stairs that's 2-3 stories tall going straight down somewhere. I wouldn't want to have to design the drainage system for this tunnel.

Maybe it's late and I didn't do my math right.

I like how 16’ magically turns into 2-3 stories.

They relatively recently built a water play area on top of a basement. They can figure out the water proofing details.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

They do not lack imagination. They lack the will to do something like that.

More like lack the funds. TDR/OLC shows that if the American parks weren’t used to keep the other branches of the company afloat, the parks would be so much better. Since OLC owns the Tokyo parks, they just put all profits from it back into the park, keeping all their attractions looking and working perfectly while having big expansions. The Imagineers work on those projects, of course, which to me shows that the only thing limiting them in the rest of the world is money.

 

[lazyboy97o]

More like lack the funds. TDR/OLC shows that if the American parks weren’t used to keep the other branches of the company afloat, the parks would be so much better. Since OLC owns the Tokyo parks, they just put all profits from it back into the park, keeping all their attractions looking and working perfectly while having big expansions. The Imagineers work on those projects, of course, which to me shows that the only thing limiting them in the rest of the world is money.

They spend huge sums of money, more than anyone else in the business. It’s not a lack of funds.

 

[Ayla]

Good luck maintaining BTM ever again.

So just to keep this river we are:

1. Building out a whole new leg of railroad on ground that the railroad was never on.
2. Building out the river even more with more extensive track design and other mechanical issues that would need to be maintained.
3. Building a TUNNEL that goes under the river?
4. Creating an even worse choke point to get to BTM. While also creating more disjointed theming by having to walk past the HM to get to a desert mountain? Not to mention the people coming from Adventureland not even knowing how to get there.

C'mon. He didn't even draw in new bathrooms. It's a rough day when you need to use the facilities and you have to walk all the way from BTM to Repunzel's.

There is a bathroom halfway between them, in the tunnel to Adventureland.

 

[JD80]

I like how 16’ magically turns into 2-3 stories.

They relatively recently built a water play area on top of a basement. They can figure out the water proofing details.

You can call it 0 stories, it's still 16' or so. And the problem isn't that they can't figure out how to build a structure under something else.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You can call it 0 stories, it's still 16' or so. And the problem isn't that they can't figure out how to build a structure under something else.

Then what is the problem?