MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TrainsOfDisney]

I guess if you take “Frontierland” totally literally and therefore remove Critter country and New Orleans Square, then sure. But to me those all occupy the same space in the park and should be compared together.

Then you’d also compare Liberty Square and Frontierland at WDW?

Wasn’t aware we could just rename lands on a map but it’s 2025!

 

[JackCH]

Then you’d also compare Liberty Square and Frontierland at WDW?

Yes I would. I think splitting those lands up (for comparison sake) is kind of silly. It’s all the stuff that surrounds the river each park just has slightly different divisions.

 

[lazyboy97o]

His suggestion would be 100x better than what they're doing.

It’s not. Nothing is gained by actually turning the Rivers into a pathetic puddle. The size is its purpose and strength.

 

[JackCH]

Wasn’t aware we could just rename lands on a map but it’s 2025!

We are in a forum comparing two different parks that is centered around the Rivers of America which includes all of those lands around it. I think it is being intellectually obtuse to be like “MK has a better FL because it has Splash!” When at DL, it is basically in the exact same spot but is arbitrarily called “Critter Country.”

That’s silly to me. But whatever.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It’s not. Nothing is gained by actually turning the Rivers into a pathetic puddle. The size is its purpose and strength.

Oh i disagree there. The smaller river at Disneyland gets the job done and actually increases the kinetic energy.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Oh i disagree there. The smaller river at Disneyland gets the job done and actually increases the kinetic energy.

The reduction at Disneyland was nowhere near as extensive as what people keep proposing. There’s also more kinetics because they’ve actually kept more attractions open.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I think it is being intellectually obtuse to be like “MK has a better FL because it has Splash!” When at DL, it is basically in the exact same spot but is arbitrarily called “Critter Country.”

Well someone announced that WDW had the worst Frontierland for some reason… that sparked the debate.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

mk frontierland stinks because it’s a boring corridor with pecos bills, a bad river view, and a very obnoxious dead end. it’s telling that the two e-tickets are brushed away to the side, away from the actual core of the land

 

[Brer Oswald]

I guess if you take “Frontierland” totally literally and therefore remove Critter country and New Orleans Square, then sure. But to me those all occupy the same space in the park and should be compared together. The space around the River is all essentially one land in almost everyone’s mind. Not counting DL’s Splash just cause it is technically “Critter Country” or “Bayou Country” seems silly.

I, and many, prefer Pirates to TSI.

Better town area I’ll give you. But that doesn’t matter as much to me compared to New Orleans Square and all the attractions.

At that point you might as well group in the entire left side with Adventureland as well. And yeah, if we’re including that, obviously Disneyland is the winner.

 

[Brer Oswald]

mk frontierland stinks because it’s a boring corridor with pecos bills, a bad river view, and a very obnoxious dead end. it’s telling that the two e-tickets are brushed away to the side, away from the actual core of the land

Or it’s smart that they are positioned at the edge since folks will flow to that point rather than clogging up the middle of the land.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

At that point you might as well group in the entire left side with Adventureland as well. And yeah, if we’re including that, obviously Disneyland is the winner.

Why stop there, the entrance to galaxies edge is through the rockwork - so clearly rise of the resistance is also in Frontierland!

 

[Moth]

Everyone (including me) to Disney if they preserve even a crumb of the ROA:

 

[JackCH]

Why stop there, the entrance to galaxies edge is through the rockwork - so clearly rise of the resistance is also in Frontierland!

Neither Galaxy's Edge nor Adventureland are positioned around the southside (relative to maps) of the River, which is the area everyone is talking about (and part of why everyone is so upset the River's are leaving! They provide the cohesion of those disparate themes that occupy the same view and "space"!). I get y'all are joking but still. I think you are being intentionally obtuse.

Well someone announced that WDW had the worst Frontierland for some reason… that sparked the debate.

And my point is if you want to take the two FL's as they literally are on the map and compare them directly then of course MK's is better, but I think it is silly and intellectually dishonest to disconnect them from Liberty Square, New Orleans, and Critter Country which all occupy the same relative space in their respective parks. MK's is bigger in part because it doesn't put Splash into a separate miniland, even though it could.

Would rephrasing my point help? I would take DL's southern RoA (which includes Bayou Country, New Orleans, and FL) over MK's (FL and LS). Genuinely, the semantics don't really matter to me.

 

[James Alucobond]

mk frontierland stinks because it’s a boring corridor with pecos bills, a bad river view, and a very obnoxious dead end. it’s telling that the two e-tickets are brushed away to the side, away from the actual core of the land

You realize that the proposed update makes the corridor effect even more pronounced, yes? The entire Cars area is insulated from existing Frontierland and only visually "opens" toward the back where the connection to Villains will be.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

It’s not. Nothing is gained by actually turning the Rivers into a pathetic puddle. The size is its purpose and strength.

On the contrary, it's the water I'm missing. You can't see the far end of the RoA from Frontierland as it is right now, and you wouldn't be able to see the far end of the truncated version either. And at least we keep the boat and the kinetic energy that comes with it. Hence, 100x better!

 

[DarkMetroid567]

You realize that the proposed update makes the corridor effect even more pronounced, yes? The entire Cars area is insulated from existing Frontierland and only visually "opens" toward the back where the connection to Villains will be.

sure — I just don’t think there’s any major loss

 

[JackCH]

On the contrary, it's the water I'm missing. You can't see the far end of the RoA from Frontierland as it is right now, and you wouldn't be able to see the far end of the truncated version either. And at least we keep the boat and the kinetic energy that comes with it. Hence, 100x better!

I would take this, a slightly larger Villains space, and plop Cars at DHS 100% over the current plan, even with my relative lack of conviction about the River.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

Or it’s smart that they are positioned at the edge since folks will flow to that point rather than clogging up the middle of the land.

I’d give anything for a Cafe Orleans type of place to be able to enjoy the river from while eating

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Would rephrasing my point help?

No I get it, you’re talking about the entire waterfront. Which in both MK and DL means multiple lands.

I don’t really have a favorite. WDW feels a bit more natural and “real” - but Disneyland has its own charm that always just works.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

If they want to phase out Frontierland then they should pick something that actually works to retheme it to and do a whole land redo (let Big Thunder stay standing in the corner as its own thing). Making a bizarre pastiche where the only thing typing everything together is "there's some wood" is not the answer.

They could have easily, I mean "easily" so done that with a Desert Land 🏜 Radiator Spring's Racers and a Woody Attraction was a proposal I believe in the beginning even alongside Coco possibly because in the end they made a decision between Coco or Cars.