News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[peter11435]

It’s ok. They ll just deny it in January then.

You really should stop getting your hopes up

 

[Blobbles]

know it may sound like I’m laying it on a bit thick, but does anyone feel like with all these major changes it’s the “End Of An Era” for Walt Disney World? I know sometimes, as fans, we like to split things up into eras, like the Eisner era per-say. I think over the past decade and a half leading up to new Epcot, most additions to the parks like new fantasyland/tron, pandora, even the backlot replacement and GMR replacement at DHS, while there has been a lot of change, the fabric of the parks have all generally felt like it has had the same and a connection in the “this is the same park that was here on opening day” to an extent (Disney’s Hollywood Studios in the front half still somewhat felt like there were some small connections to the MGM days with the old Hollywood sections and grand avenue).However, ever since the New Epcot finally got fully done, EPCOT has felt somewhat “different” in an intangible sense, All these expansions at the other three parks will sorta complete this slow evolution the other parks have been having over time. I do feel this has been a gradual thing, but these new major expansions will sorta be the final nail. While some, like the rivers of america, will be a more drastic change than what’s happening at DHS, i do feel like the “feeling” the parks have will be changed in the same way Epcot has been. To me, The Magic Kingdom and Disney’s Hollywood Studios will no longer fully feel like the same park that was there on opening day. And maybe that’s ok.

 

[JackCH]

know it may sound like I’m laying it on a bit thick, but does anyone feel like with all these major changes it’s the “End Of An Era” for Walt Disney World? I know sometimes, as fans, we like to split things up into eras, like the Eisner era per-say. I think over the past decade and a half leading up to new Epcot, most additions to the parks like new fantasyland/tron, pandora, even the backlot replacement and GMR replacement at DHS, while there has been a lot of change, the fabric of the parks have all generally felt like it has had the same and a connection in the “this is the same park that was here on opening day” to an extent (Disney’s Hollywood Studios in the front half still somewhat felt like there were some small connections to the MGM days with the old Hollywood sections and grand avenue).However, ever since the New Epcot finally got fully done, EPCOT has felt somewhat “different” in an intangible sense, All these expansions at the other three parks will sorta complete this slow evolution the other parks have been having over time. I do feel this has been a gradual thing, but these new major expansions will sorta be the final nail. While some, like the rivers of america, will be a more drastic change than what’s happening at DHS, i do feel like the “feeling” the parks have will be changed in the same way Epcot has been. To me, The Magic Kingdom and Disney’s Hollywood Studios will no longer fully feel like the same park that was there on opening day. And maybe that’s ok.

To me, Epcot still feels like Epcot, AK feels like AK, and MK feels like MK, and none of this really changes it much. Epcot's Future World was just very disappointing with budget cuts, but not drastically altering it's identity. MK has one area that will feel very different, but it is still Magic Kingdom in essence.

Now, DHS? Sure. But honestly, I have felt it just needed to drop the "studios" aspect for years now and think this "transformation" is a good thing if they would just actually invest in completing it at AC and Echo Lake.

 

[Blobbles]

To me, Epcot still feels like Epcot, AK feels like AK, and MK feels like MK, and none of this really changes it much. Epcot's Future World was just very disappointing with budget cuts, but not drastically altering it's identity. MK has one area that will feel very different, but it is still Magic Kingdom in essence.

Guess it’s more of a personal thing. AK still feels the same in essence. Got me there. As for the Magic Kingdom, it still is the MK in essence, but my opinion is it isn’t the Same essence. MK with villains, cars, tiana, and seven dwarves doesn’t feel the same as MK that had Mr Toad, Tom Sawyers Island, splash mountain, 94 Tomorrowland, and Toontown fair. We’re seeing the next generation of the magic kingdom.

DHS should honestly drop the “studios” from the name. It’s still Hollywood, not the studios though. Disney’s Hollywood Adventure? Or just Disney’s Hollywood? Or that “CineMagic” name that was thrown around for Paris. It’ll never happen but it should once monsters and the AC replacement is open.
In my mind, Echo Lake, and sunset boulevard should keep their “Hollywood” theme, but instead as more of a “giant Main Street” for all the different lands.

 

[JackCH]

Guess it’s more of a personal thing. AK still feels the same in essence. Got me there. As for the Magic Kingdom, it still is the MK in essence, but my opinion is it isn’t the Same essence. MK with villains, cars, tiana, and seven dwarves doesn’t feel the same as MK that had Mr Toad, Tom Sawyers Island, splash mountain, 94 Tomorrowland, and Toontown fair. We’re seeing the next generation of the magic kingdom.

DHS should honestly drop the “studios” from the name. It’s still Hollywood, not the studios though. Disney’s Hollywood Adventure? Or just Disney’s Hollywood? Or that “CineMagic” name that was thrown around for Paris. It’ll never happen but it should once monsters and the AC replacement is open.

I think I can agree with a "next gen" Magic Kingdom... which to be honest, I'm also okay with. I think making Disneyland the "classics" park, and MK start having it's own identity might be good for both.

Totally agree on DHS. I think they should do a hub retheming (like World Premiere Plaza at DAW, keep the Hollywood but get some much better theater facades for all the shows), and a new land at AC and do a new name. I know that has been discussed before and I still think it would be a good idea.

Epcot I understand a lot of the disappointment. To me, I've only ever had a strong attachment to World Showcase, so the changes to FW hasn't bothered me as much.

 

[Blobbles]

I think I can agree with a "next gen" Magic Kingdom... which to be honest, I'm also okay with. I think making Disneyland the "classics" park, and MK start having it's own identity might be good for both.

I agree. MK has long stood under Disneyland’s shadow, and I am excited for it to finally find its own voice.

Totally agree on DHS. I think they should do a hub retheming (like World Premiere Plaza at DAW, keep the Hollywood but get some much better theater facades for all the shows), and a new land at AC and do a new name. I know that has been discussed before and I still think it would be a good idea.

I agree on that too. Maybe add a trolley line that DCA lost to add some atmosphere. But most of all: KEEP THE TOWER THE “Hollywood Tower Hotel” IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM. That’s the key imo, and the one ride at DHS the gp really cares about in a “classics sense”

Epcot I understand a lot of the disappointment. To me, I've only ever had a strong attachment to World Showcase, so the changes to FW hasn't bothered me as much.

I admit, even as an Epcot fan who loves the history of the park and the old rides, I only grew up with the weird, post millennium Epcot (which I also love for what it is and my childhood memories. Long live gran fiesta tour!), which I greatly enjoyed but admit was flawed. I was never there for the triumph of the rise, or the tragedy of the fall. I admire what we have for what it is, and pay my respects to a lost legend I can only experience through history.

Fix figment though.

 

[celluloid]

DHS should honestly drop the “studios” from the name. It’s still Hollywood, not the studios though. Disney’s Hollywood Adventure? Or just Disney’s Hollywood? Or that “CineMagic” name that was thrown around for Paris. It’ll never happen but it should once monsters and the AC replacement is open.
In my mind, Echo Lake, and sunset boulevard should keep their “Hollywood” theme, but instead as more of a “giant Main Street” for all the different lands.

My issue with this is it still need a thorughline. Just saying adventure is a name, not a thematic element.

Just having adventures is any theme park with attractions that have inciting moments and plots.

Islands of Adventure had a throughline of all of these worlds being islands linked to nautical elements. Port of Entry links them together the say Main Street USA links the lands of the Magic Kingdom to the mythos of USA. Each land from Marvel around to Suess all have nautical relations or touches to keep the throughline going.

To some extent, EPIC has the Celestial Gardens attempting a ethereal approach to this albeit a bit more abastract and light based on what we can see. There is a throughline.

Just saying Cinemagic and cramming IP worlds does not really work.

 

[Blobbles]

My issue with this is it still need a thorughline. Just saying adventure is a name, not a thematic element.

Just having adventures is any theme park with attractions that have inciting moments and plots.

Islands of Adventure had a throughline of all of these worlds being islands linked to nautical elements. Port of Entry links them together the say Main Street USA links the lands of the Magic Kingdom to the mythos of USA. Each land from Marvel around to Suess all have nautical relations or touches to keep the throughline going.

To some extent, EPIC has the Celestial Gardens attempting a ethereal approach to this albeit a bit more abastract and light based on what we can see. There is a throughline.

Just saying Cinemagic and cramming IP worlds does not really work.

Studios doesn’t work anymore either. All the remaining studio stuff will soon be gone. It’s not a studio. It’s the Hollywood that never was, with themed land from movies all around it.

 

[celluloid]

Studios doesn’t work anymore either. All the remaining studio stuff will soon be gone. It’s not a studio. It’s the Hollywood that never was, with themed land from movies all around it.

That's a rough throughline and identity to sell. As much as a studio concept is a ruse, people get it.

It is true that the Sunset Blvd and Hollywood Blvd still are still alagmation lands based on the tinsel town of show business, which means the studio name still works better than the name "adventure" just tacked on.

 

[JackCH]

My issue with this is it still need a thorughline. Just saying adventure is a name, not a thematic element.

Just having adventures is any theme park with attractions that have inciting moments and plots.

Islands of Adventure had a throughline of all of these worlds being islands linked to nautical elements. Port of Entry links them together the say Main Street USA links the lands of the Magic Kingdom to the mythos of USA. Each land from Marvel around to Suess all have nautical relations or touches to keep the throughline going.

To some extent, EPIC has the Celestial Gardens attempting a ethereal approach to this albeit a bit more abastract and light based on what we can see. There is a throughline.

Just saying Cinemagic and cramming IP worlds does not really work.

I think it works well enough if it is "Hollywood/movies" as a portal into the movie worlds. But that would require some retheming of entrances, etc. Works as well as "California Adventure" or most of the other IP centered parks around today.

 

[Blobbles]

I think it works well enough if it is "Hollywood/movies" as a portal into the movie worlds. But that would require some retheming of entrances, etc. Works as well as "California Adventure" or most of the other IP centered parks around today.

True. Not as much, as they’d keep the “Disney’s Hollywood” part of it. What if they just cut the whole third thing off? Just call it “Disney’s Hollywood”? Would people get it?

 

[celluloid]

I think it works well enough if it is "Hollywood/movies" as a portal into the movie worlds. But that would require some retheming of entrances, etc. Works as well as "California Adventure" or most of the other IP centered parks around today.

I don't know if California Adventure is the strongest example to go with. There is less California and Adventure in it all of the time.

I agree if they could make Hollywood and Sunset Blvd portals, but Sunset blvd is not really a hub design.
Make Hollywood Blvd more modern and you are going back to the glitz on Sunset, yet the end of Sunset is always present day with G Force Records and present day decrepit Tower of Terror. You don't want to start with run down either at entrance and it would take away from the Tower Impact Later.

You could then also have a design that keeps Hollywood Blvd the glitzy 30s-40s Hollywood, and then Sunset you slowly go to present day. That would play much better.


At the end of the day. It does not seem there is this much care to it.

 

[JackCH]

I don't know if California Adventure is the strongest example to go with. There is less California and Adventure in it all of the time.

I agree if they could make Hollywood and Sunset Blvd portals, but Sunset blvd is not really a hub design.
Make Hollywood Blvd more modern and you are going back to the glitz on Sunset, yet the end of Sunset is always present day with G Force Records and present day decrepit Tower of Terror. You don't want to start with run down either at entrance and it would take away from the Tower Impact Later.

You could then also have a design that keeps Hollywood Blvd the glitzy 30s-40s Hollywood, and then Sunset you slowly go to present day. That would play much better.


At the end of the day. It does not seem there is this much care to it.

Oh yeah I cited California Adventure moreso as a sign that a lot Disney's "second gates" DCA and DAW have more "loose" theming that leads into IP worlds. DHS seems to be WDW's version. Not as a "California Adventure' is great theming haha.

I agree overall, but I'd rather there be at least some basic coherence of Hollywood into the movies then what is there right now, which is part Hollywood, part studio, part IP worlds. I think just dropping the "studio" part at this point would help some.

I personally don't mind there being time gaps between attractions on Hollywood Blvd and Sunset. As long as the general "vibe" is "Hollywood golden age," I'm good.

 

[celluloid]

I agree overall, but I'd rather there be at least some basic coherence of Hollywood into the movies then what is there right now, which is part Hollywood, part studio, part IP worlds. I think just dropping the "studio" part at this point would help some.

I don't know if dropping studios is necessary. People see studios as much of a portfolio collection as they do where they are physically made in one place. Plus, it saves them money.

They would also potentially loe more than they would gain with SEO.

 

[JackCH]

I don't know if dropping studios is necessary. People see studios as much of a portfolio collection as they do where they are physically made in one place. Plus, it saves them money.

They would also potentially loe more than they would gain with SEO.

Yeah, it's a minor note at best. Not a big difference either way.

 

[Incomudro]

know it may sound like I’m laying it on a bit thick, but does anyone feel like with all these major changes it’s the “End Of An Era” for Walt Disney World? I know sometimes, as fans, we like to split things up into eras, like the Eisner era per-say. I think over the past decade and a half leading up to new Epcot, most additions to the parks like new fantasyland/tron, pandora, even the backlot replacement and GMR replacement at DHS, while there has been a lot of change, the fabric of the parks have all generally felt like it has had the same and a connection in the “this is the same park that was here on opening day” to an extent (Disney’s Hollywood Studios in the front half still somewhat felt like there were some small connections to the MGM days with the old Hollywood sections and grand avenue).However, ever since the New Epcot finally got fully done, EPCOT has felt somewhat “different” in an intangible sense, All these expansions at the other three parks will sorta complete this slow evolution the other parks have been having over time. I do feel this has been a gradual thing, but these new major expansions will sorta be the final nail. While some, like the rivers of america, will be a more drastic change than what’s happening at DHS, i do feel like the “feeling” the parks have will be changed in the same way Epcot has been. To me, The Magic Kingdom and Disney’s Hollywood Studios will no longer fully feel like the same park that was there on opening day. And maybe that’s ok.

The removal of the river is the one thing that is hitting me hard.
I can accept most of the other changes with mixed responses - some I like, some I don't.
But, yes - end of an era for me with the removal of the river and river boat.
It really hurts Magic Kingdom a lot for me.
It just removes the charm, and the classic Disney aspect for me.

 

[Disstevefan1]

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You really should stop getting your hopes up

My hopes aren’t up but it’s not over until it’s over.

 

[Disstevefan1]

You really should stop getting your hopes up

Sometimes, hope is all one has.....

 

[peter11435]

My hopes aren’t up but it’s not over until it’s over.

That’s true. But if plans change it won’t be because of the permitting