News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

Gusey

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It does feel like access to beyond the Rivers of America gave them the excuse to get rid of Tom Sawyer's and the Rivers. Before the announcement of Cars, we were speculating how would they access the land as both Haunted Mansion and Big Thunder are built on the river's edge, so the Rivers were going to be altered no matter what.
 

TheMaxRebo

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I go back to the dedication of DL Frontierland

“Frontierland. It is here that we experience the story of our country's past. The color, romance and drama of frontier America as it developed from wilderness trails to roads, riverboats, railroads and civilization. A tribute to the faith, courage and ingenuity of our hearty pioneers who blaze the trails and made this progress possible.”

With the hodgepodge we are getting it certainly doesn’t fit the above description. They should rip the bandaid and rename it.

Definitely think they are changing the direction of the land. To me it is now more like Adventureland but for North America instead of South America/Africa/etc

So exploring a Louisiana Bayou, a Western Mining Town, a National Park via off road vehicle, etc - and fits with larger direction of putting the guest in the worlds Disney has created

The timing aspect (of a specific time of America's past) is definitely no longer applying.
 

Epcot82Guy

Well-Known Member
The issue I continue to have is scale. The whole area is about the size of the Speedway. That needs a big attraction, small attraction, queue, walkways and at least a shop.

The big attraction area is just not that large, even if it wraps around. It's about the size of BTMRR or 7DMT plus a bit of the walkways around it. Plus, this will need some type of 360-degree views. Carsland and Galaxy's Edge create scale on their mountains because they are one-sided and can use better forced perspective. Unless they are going to put a giant rock wall across from the current Frontierland buildings, this thing can't be all that big. I know it is just concept art. But, I just don't see how this looks anywhere near as impressive as what is being shown right now. I think taking a jeep trip around BTMRR or 7DMT is less compelling than something of bigger scale.

As always, I could be wrong - but I just don't see how this translates to the reality I fear a lot of people think will be happening.
 

DisneyLee74

New Member
This isn’t really feasible in Florida.
The Magic Kingdom is the second floor of that park . So they could go under the river if they wanted to despite the high water table in Florida. There have been massive sewer leaks in the MK in the last year. One occurred last Monday and shut down Frontierland. I believe this whole thing is designed to allow Disney to replace an aging sewer system. By the time this is built it will be just another fancy bathroom like repunzels tower area. If anyone remembers that was going to be a dark ride until the budget was cut.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
This isn’t really feasible in Florida.
There are already multiple water bridges at Walt Disney World.
The Magic Kingdom is the second floor of that park . So they could go under the river if they wanted to despite the high water table in Florida. There have been massive sewer leaks in the MK in the last year. One occurred last Monday and shut down Frontierland. I believe this whole thing is designed to allow Disney to replace an aging sewer system. By the time this is built it will be just another fancy bathroom like repunzels tower area. If anyone remembers that was going to be a dark ride until the budget was cut.
The Magic Kingdom is not built up on a podium. The utilidors do not extend under the entire park much less under the Rivers of America. Removing the Rivers of America isn’t going to provide access to sewer infrastructure.

The “Tangled Toilets” were never going to be a dark ride. It’s a small corner boxed in by The Haunted Mansion and “it’s a small world”.
 

BrianLo

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The issue I continue to have is scale. The whole area is about the size of the Speedway. That needs a big attraction, small attraction, queue, walkways and at least a shop.

The big attraction area is just not that large, even if it wraps around. It's about the size of BTMRR or 7DMT plus a bit of the walkways around it. Plus, this will need some type of 360-degree views. Carsland and Galaxy's Edge create scale on their mountains because they are one-sided and can use better forced perspective. Unless they are going to put a giant rock wall across from the current Frontierland buildings, this thing can't be all that big. I know it is just concept art. But, I just don't see how this looks anywhere near as impressive as what is being shown right now. I think taking a jeep trip around BTMRR or 7DMT is less compelling than something of bigger scale.

As always, I could be wrong - but I just don't see how this translates to the reality I fear a lot of people think will be happening.

It’s really hard to figure out from the concept art, but the attraction area seems to extend a bit further than the loop people have traditionally drawn. The kid attraction is essentially up near Fort Langhorn from what I can tell. The envelop seems to be about 50% bigger than SDMT and Big Thunder. Which probably puts ride time wedged in between the two.
 

Epcot82Guy

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It’s really hard to figure out from the concept art, but the attraction area seems to extend a bit further than the loop people have traditionally drawn. The kid attraction is essentially up near Fort Langhorn from what I can tell. The envelop seems to be about 50% bigger than SDMT and Big Thunder. Which probably puts ride time wedged in between the two.

I guess it depends. On the aerial view they showed, this is all happening from the suspension bridge south. (Again, noting its concept art.) Curious where you are thinking this goes farther north? It looks to be between the riverboat launch and BTMRR - which is the bottom loop of the river. Are you seeing something different?
 

BrianLo

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I guess it depends. On the aerial view they showed, this is all happening from the suspension bridge south. (Again, noting its concept art.) Curious where you are thinking this goes farther north? It looks to be between the riverboat launch and BTMRR - which is the bottom loop of the river. Are you seeing something different?

I take it back, it does appear limited to that envelope. The ABCD alignment in this article helps sell that more so.


It is however still bigger than the other two mentioned attractions by 25-50%.
 
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JackCH

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I take it back, it does appear limited to that envelope. The ABCD alignment in this article helps sell that more so.


It is however still bigger than the other two mentioned attractions by 25-50%.
I also imagine it will mostly move slower than those coasters, lengthening ride time.
 

FutureCEO

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As one of the last Gen Z generations, I would like to represent both the younger Gen Z and Gen Alpha when I'm saying this.

When I hear the words "American Frontier," I think of soaring mountains, expanses of trees, wild rivers, and crashing waterfalls. I think of the roughness of the wild, tamed but untamed simultaneously. Since the younger generations rarely speak about these things, let me just say that all that wishwash about cowboys and kids still enjoying cowboy/Indian games is outdated. The "unifying" theme of the frontier that all the older generations talk about doesn't exist anymore. This is a vision of the past, and for the newer generations, it is NOT the universal idea of what Frontierland is like.

That brings us to the problem of Magic Kingdom because for many the lands there don't speak as well as they used to. The lush jungles of Adventure aren't being represented in the barren Adventureland, the Tomorrowland is more outdated than a shopping mall, and the Fantasyland's carnival tents are less appealing than a state fair amusement park. Everything needs to grow, to match the changing universal idea and vision, while still preserving parts of Americana. I didn't say that kids don't revere Americana, simply that even the idea of Americana has moved on (if older folks have lenses of Americana 100 years into the past, younger ones would have lenses of Americana 100 years into the past too, but going towards the more rambunctious 1920's).

Moving on to the issue of Frontierland, and apologizing in advance because I won't be holding back., Frontierland is one of the most bland themes nowadays that make up a park. Deserts with few trees and blasts of hotness aren't the ideal feeling that any young person wants anymore. Even adding attractions, I prefer the coolness and serene quality of Grizzly Peak over any other Frontierland in the world. Big Thunder Mountain is fun but it's the only reason there are crowds in the area- Frontierland is chemically boring and unattractive, and TBA was the first step to its revival. Even Cars Land with its root on newer American culture and its more breathtaking vistas serves as a much better desert-themed land.

Another thing that's going to be blunt is the fact that many of the older generations are going to die out, and as we move on, the consumers that will be paying Disney money won't be them anymore. It's the young people going out and paying to experience fresh, exciting things where creature comforts are also being respected (like the illusion of weather). Seeing these new things coming to MK and other parks around the world excites me for the literal untapped potential of the future, and if Disney doesn't set a good reputation in the future generations, it's not going to do well.

So why do Cars just work for us? The features promised in Cars have (as some screenagers put it lol) aura. Soaring peaks, rushing waterfalls, hidden springs, and an abundance of evergreen trees. A kinetic force of trees and old-style cars zipping around the national park vibe, cars are only seen when observed closely. TBA, Cars, and BTMR go together perfectly, showcasing not one, conservative and stifled view of Americana, but a flourishing cultural renaissance exploring all the different biomes of America, the rough natures of nature that continue to live modern-day. The bayou, the mountains, the desert... Leave conservative Americana for Liberty Square, Main Street.

Frontierland embraces the raw, undeterred power and beauty of nature.

Signing off,
A Gen Z 💅

Edit: Because a lot of the folks here don't know what I mean in Paragraph 4, quick reiteration I'm not saying everyone's going to start dropping like flies (well duh, consumer populations dying out is a metaphor), but a majority of the Disney economy is fueled by younger generations, not by thousands of 82-year-olds trooping off for a 12-day vacation at WDW. When the time comes Disney will need to have a positive reputation among the mass consumerist population among the younger generations in order to profit. If they don't start now, there will be a dark decline in places like MK even when it holds its golden crown status. Cars and Villains will pave the way to generate more appreciation within younger audiences in the future. Few of you would think the same, and reduce your characters to using the most laughable insults, but you're unfortunately not a Gen Z and the world doesn't revolve around you. Merely stating what a lot of us think :)
Of course you think the world revolves around Gen Z, you're from California.
 

Architectural Guinea Pig

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Of course you think the world revolves around Gen Z, you're from California.
Gosh, it's almost as if my post wasn't responding to a message about seeking the opinions of different demographics and age groups. Thanks for bothering to check my profile though, hope you liked it :D it's always fun to see people reduce themselves to petty insults instead of making informed and enlightening responses.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I take it back, it does appear limited to that envelope. The ABCD alignment in this article helps sell that more so.


It is however still bigger than the other two mentioned attractions by 25-50%.
It's going to be unbelievable big. Tens of thousands of acres since some of the landmarks in the concept art reside in Paris.
 

Advisable Joseph

Well-Known Member

Disney Gains Extension for Cars-Themed Land Permit Review Until January 2025​

The extension was only for a month, not the 60 days requested.
I take it back, it does appear limited to that envelop
Look at Big Thunder Mountain and the waterway connecting the Rivers to the canal to the lagoon in the background: the walkway to the north of Carsland is north of Big Thunder Mountain.

You were (mostly) right the first time!

That's just concept art, though, and all this could be moot by mid-January.
 

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