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[peter11435]

You have no data to back this claim up. None.

Actually I absolutely do. I’m not making a claim, im stating a fact.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Actually I absolutely do. I’m not making a claim, im stating a fact.

Then state the fact - what’s the typical count?

 

[Captain Barbossa]

The Liberty Belle isn’t an attraction that has some high ridership per hour. No one is arguing that. But, I’ve never seen it less than half full, even during the “dead times” of the year.

 

[peter11435]

The Liberty Belle isn’t an attraction that has some high ridership per hour. No one is arguing that. But, I’ve never seen it less than half full, even during the “dead times” of the year.

I don’t think you realize how many people it’s designed to carry then. It almost never is actually half full.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I don’t think you realize how many people it’s designed to carry then. It almost never is actually half full.

so what are the numbers?

 

[peter11435]

so what are the numbers?

I already told you. It generally operates at about 15-20% of its capacity.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I already told you. It generally operates at about 15-20% of its capacity.

So 70-90 guests per sailing?

 

[Captain Barbossa]

so what are the numbers?

It’s capacity is 450. He’s claiming 15-20% of that, which is 68-90 people per trip. Never seen it nor been on it with that few people, except the 1st and last hour of daily operation.

 

[Disone]

I already told you. It generally operates at about 15-20% of its capacity.

That's not what he's asking and I think you know that. He's asking what is the number of people the Liberty Bell is designed to carry. Not the percent but the actual number of people.

 

[peter11435]

That's not what he's asking and I think you know that. He's asking what is the number of people the Liberty Bell is designed to carry. Not the percent but the actual number of people.

He clearly already knows that number because he’s used it for his math. The boats capacity is not secret.

 

[peter11435]

It’s capacity is 450. He’s claiming 15-20% of that, which is 68-90 people per trip. Never seen it nor been on it with that few people, except the 1st and last hour of daily operation.

I assure you that you have. Even on the busiest of holidays it rarely sees even twice that.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I assure you that you have. Even on the busiest of holidays it rarely sees even twice that.

68-90 certainly seems about right, especially in the warmer half of the year.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

It’s capacity is 450. He’s claiming 15-20% of that, which is 68-90 people per trip. Never seen it nor been on it with that few people, except the 1st and last hour of daily operation.

I’ve never seen it that many actually. I usually see closer to 40-50 on a busy day

 

[Disone]

He clearly already knows that number because he’s used it for his math. The boats capacity is not secret.

I think that was very much the point, yes. He was challenging you to use real numbers and not percentages and you did not. Indicating that you may not have known what the actual numbers/ "facts" are even though you doubled down and said you did.

For me the numbers don't matter. What matters is atmosphere. The rivers of America are the last major body of water in the Magic Kingdom. Jungle Cruise doesn't count cuz you can't really see it. In the moat I don't consider major. Water adds life. Water adds atmosphere. Water adds aesthetics. And magic Kingdom is losing a huge chunk of its atmosphere, life, and aesthetics with the loss of the rivers of America. It's not just about the numbers. It never has been. If it was then close the tiki room, should have closed and not revamped the country bears. Time to get rid of Hall of presidents, Mickey's Philharmagic needs to go.... There is nothing wrong with keeping attractions that do not draw in more than their hourly capacity.

More than that without the rivers of America, Magic Kingdom becomes a little bit more of a concrete flatland.

 

[peter11435]

I think that was very much the point, yes. He was challenging you to use real numbers and not percentages and you did not. Indicating that you may not have known what the actual numbers/ "facts" are even though you doubled down and said you did.
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The riverboats capacity is not a secret. It’s publicly known. Even if I didn’t know what the actual numbers are I should definitely know the capacity which is easily accessible to anyone.

 

[James Alucobond]

I think that was very much the point, yes. He was challenging you to use real numbers and not percentages and you did not. Indicating that you may not have known what the actual numbers/ "facts" are even though you doubled down and said you did.

You can literally just put “Disney Liberty Belle capacity” into Google and get an info card with the stats without having to click into anything.

 

[MickMinn22]

I assure you that you have. Even on the busiest of holidays it rarely sees even twice that.

In the past 2 years, I’ve gone in April, December, September, June, and October. So some slow times in the year but also some busy times. I usually spend 2 days at MK each trip. I’ve never seen the LB more than what I would estimate is half full. I rode on it this past April in the early afternoon when there were legitimately 30-40 people on it with no one waiting to get on. That’s not saying it’s “never” used and “no one” rides it but from a Disney attraction perspective, it feels very under used to me. I don’t doubt it is more utilized between Christmas and new years, thanksgiving, and other times throughout the summer, but I would think the new younger kids attraction would out perform the LB and the rally race ride way out performs TSI leading to an overall more utilized space (ambiance and views TBD until we see what the new area looks like).

 

[FettFan]

I actually ride the riverboat on many of my Magic Kingdom visits.

It’s not that “I don’t ride” it’s that very few people actually do ride.

That definitely wasn’t the case back when I was there in February, watching the boat from the Haunted Mandion queue. It looked pretty full, which is where the advantage is apparent…if you’ve got a LL reservation for the Mansion, Peter Pan, Tiana, or BTMRR, the Liberty Belle provides a nice way to pass the time.

Alas, WDW would hate it because there is no merch to sell onboard. And after all that was the entire point of the FP/FP+/LL system.

 

[peter11435]

That definitely wasn’t the case back when I was there in February, watching the boat from the Haunted Mandion queue. It looked pretty full, which is where the advantage is apparent…if you’ve got a LL reservation for the Mansion, Peter Pan, Tiana, or BTMRR, the Liberty Belle provides a nice way to pass the time.

Alas, WDW would hate it because there is no merch to sell onboard. And after all that was the entire point of the FP/FP+/LL system.

It absolutely was the case. It may have looked pretty full. But it wasn’t

 

[James Alucobond]

Alas, WDW would hate it because there is no merch to sell onboard. And after all that was the entire point of the FP/FP+/LL system.

It is functionally the same as if the passengers were in a standby queue, also unable to purchase merchandise. It’s the few VQ-only attractions that have the effect you’re speaking of, not the ones that maintain healthy standbys alongside LL options.