Less than 10 percent of MK's gate rides Space Mt. Your argument is beyond flawed.
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Less than 10 percent of MK's gate rides Space Mt. Your argument is beyond flawed.
The castle has a restaurant. I have only eaten there one time since 1980. Statistically speaking, only a TINY percent of Magic Kingdom guests eat at that restaurant everyday. Less then .001% of park guests each day???
Tear that castle down and the yard in front. This will make way for a REAL attraction that Burbank can add to Genie+ and charge people for. Today, that land is "free" to walk around but it would benefit from a more highly attended and profitable attraction there instead. The restaurant profits pale in comparison to a REAL mega attraction that many thousands of guests could PAY for each day on Genie+ !!!
Disney also spends a TON of money (used to) on gardening and decorations. This daily investment is LOST because the parks scenery does not generate actual "measurable" revenue. In fact, this lost money "can" be diverted to new attractions that DO generate revenue and DO increase park attendance.
Scenery is NOT important anymore...it just means MORE "lost" money spent. "Ambience" cannot be added to Genie+ sales numbers.
Yeah,....maybe your are right. This is Burbank's way in 2024 :-(
Having Deadpool in the parks LITERALLY promotes the kids to go see the movie or download it. Promoting Deadpool in the parks tells the kids that gun violence is cool, funny and romantic and kick-butt! "Hey Kids, don't you aspire to be like Deadpool and do what he does in the movie?"
"Find a way to see that movie!!
But hey now....hold your horses kido,..woah,..WOAH...there!....you KNOW that "cowboy" movies are BAD right? "Davie Crocket" has a gun and racoon skin hat and he was terrible...right?
Davy Crocket = BAD for parks!!
Deadpool = Awesome for parks!!
We ALL here know....even the biggest Pixie Duster (or Burbank shill) .....that Deadpool is 10,000,000 times worse than Davy crocket.
Burbank DEEPLY CONFUSED and out of it's mind. This company can't even get it's SIMPLE, "modern" social messaging right!!
MickMinn22
New Member
I love your passion for the parks! You may be surprised but I have a similar strong passion and love for the parks. It’s funny you brought up CRT as I got engaged in the restaurant and go every other trip. I totally get the passion and point of your argument but you have to acknowledge the small % of people that go there do generate likely a high profit per guest for an over priced dinner (a price I’ve been suckered into paying many times haha) that does help them support the operations of the park that do not generate profit but are vital to the Disney difference like gardening and other items you mentioned.
My passion for the parks is in seeing them grow, change and evolve. Unlike many I still trust Disney and WDI to build a beautiful natural landscape that still fits the theme of the area, and also allows them to expand further.
I made my core Disney memory as a kid on TSI and at aunt Polly’s with my family but I’m still excited for the change.
Quietmouse
Active Member
I can’t tell from the hypothetical land placement but won’t villains be connected to some type of river/water system ? There are rivers back there right ?
phillip9698
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And what percent goes to TSI? I bet it’s way below 10%.
I’m glad the company is finally doing something to differentiate these parks. Disneyland exists, if you want something closer to Walt’s original vision then go there. Let’s let the MK evolve for future generations.
Dizknee_Phreek
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But Disney was never meant to be just a thrill ride park. It was always meant to have something to offer for everyone. This argument is also flawed in the fact that I remember way back in the 90s when certain attractions were consistently walk ons...Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Small World, Peoplemover, Jungle Cruise. Now, a lot of things can contribute to longer wait times (FP/LL, running less vehicles, etc) but would we consider any of these attractions unpopular today? It comes down to Disney CAN and should still have a mix of thrills and non-thrills. If people want to thrill seek and nothing else, there are plenty of other parks for that.
Not relevant to what was quoted before me.
But to answer your question.
That depends. Are you counting people on the Mark Twain?
Quietmouse
Active Member
Exactly.
Thrill rides are great.
But that means your excluding those that don’t meet height requirements, and excluding those with high blood pressure/spinal issues/ heart disease etc
Disney is celebrated for its ability to have the whole family from a 2 year old to 99 year old ride rides together.
If you take that aspect away from Disney than I promise you it will severely effect disneys attendance.
MickMinn22
New Member
Always wondered, Does Disney or other sources released any ride statistics? Like actual ride stats as opposed to max potential capacity?
MrPromey
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You know, this discussion about utilized space has gotten me thinking.
I am more a fan of the place-making and scenery the island and rivers and ferry boat provide to the areas around them than the experience of being on them, myself but thinking of the island and boat and people talking about them being underutilized, they actually wouldn't work as intended if they were "fully" utilized.
Nobody wants to go over the barrel bridges in a slow moving line. Things like the caves and the water wheel house and the secret exit to the fort would not be fun if you were just in a continuous line going through them - it would all feel like a queue without an attraction at the end if the island were busy the way people seem to think it would have to be to justify it existing in their minds after this announcement.
To me, the rafts being the only way on or off always felt like an intended limiter.
Similarly, a ferry boat at maximum capacity would be like the ones going across Seven Seas lagoon. It wouldn't really be an attraction anymore and would be more like a form of transportation that didn't actually take people anywhere.
The people that do go on it for fun today would likely not enjoy it anymore that way if they couldn't freely walk round it and had to jockey for space on a railing with risk of losing their "good" spot if they decided to move around.
If the island were crawling with people, it would fail to fit its intended theme the way other parts of the park in certain sections of Fantasy Land and Adventureland don't today by being overcrowded urban hellscapes that can be difficult to move through due to choke points, lines for food counters that spill into those spaces and with often nowhere to sit because people are already camping in what limited space there is.
When the park is even moderately busy by modern standards, most of Fantasyland and Adventureland don't feel "magical" or whimsical or exotic, they feel like stretches of themed shopping centers on black friday where people are trying to pass through as quickly as possible to get to the ride they're after because there is no atmosphere - just other people and strollers in your way everywhere.
I'm pretty sure we've all gotten to enjoy that experience of passing through one of these areas only to be brought to a stop due to some family standing in the middle of it all just talking with zero self-awareness, while blocking everyone around them who is trying to get past.
As they expand other parts of the park with attractions to get more people in, this becomes more and more of a problem on Main Street, too since all those people have to pass through that area which was never intended for that level of regular guest flow.*
It's weird to me that people are are so against the island in this discussion because it's not more like that. I get why Disney would like to see every inch of the park this way but I'm not sure why guests would. It's just one of the reasons I don't like going to the MK, today. To me, dealing with that nonstop isn't fun. It's stressful.
*Disney's solution to this is, of course, is to continue widening the gap of attractions in this park from the other three while more frequently using the bypass - an unthemed alleyway to move people more efficiently past Main Street instead of through it.
How magical, right?
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haveyoumetmark
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Sure but I wonder how many of them know or have become themselves victims of gun violence — safe bet, some.
Where is this Deadpool presence in the parks you all speak of? You’re comparing apples and oranges. In any case, the thread has to do with exactly none of this.
Since you asked.
Present all over DCA and theme park coverage because the skits and hip character are the only additions to DCA and Avengers Campus people habe seen as a net.
haveyoumetmark
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You think this at all compares to a permanent location, or an “attraction” as people refer to it now?
MrPromey
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Apparently @haveyoumetmark doesn't know the contracts with Universal prevent them from putting him in the Florida parks.
LittleBuford
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Oh, I understand the context of what was said perfectly well. The post belongs to a flourishing and very familiar genre here in these threads, its intent immediately revealed by the use of the term "problematic" (complete with scare quotes) and other giveaway words and expressions. Such posts are simply a vehicle for the airing of ideological grievances that are often little more than scaremongering and divisive conspiracy theories. Their authors lash out at fabled mobs of easily offended killjoys, all the while failing to recognise that they're the ones playing victim and taking umbrage.
haveyoumetmark
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Well aware but curious as to why people are acting otherwise. It’s disingenuous.
lazyboy97o
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The castles are supposed to be seen from Main Street, USA. What they do though is play with the design language. The castles are not medieval in their design, which are more clearly military in their design. Neuschwanstein, the model for Sleeping Beauty Castle, is a nineteenth century construct, an eclectic pastiche intended to invoke a romantic image and not a historical recreation. While Cinderella Castle is more diverse in its inspirations it is designed in a similar vein. The design sensibility of both the castles and Main Street, USA come from the same revivalist traditions that were common during the second half of the nineteenth century.
Main Streets were/are also typically organized around important civic structures. In earlier towns in the east this was more typically a church. In later towns of the Midwest it would be the train station and/or the court house. Because of the fashionability of revivalism it is even possible to find these various buildings sporting castle inspired designs and motifs. In the Magic Kingdoms we get the important structures of the train station and the storybook castle. The castle is a seeming contradiction that actually plays on a design language while very much using that design language.
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost
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The Frontierland name will be staying it seems! I'm glad because it's pretty iconic, and at the very least, "frontier" also means "wilderness." I guess we'll have to see what happens to Liberty Square though...