News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TsWade2]

Warning to all of you, WDWPro has gone raving mad about it! This is scary!

 

[erasure fan1]

In a way - yes. I can’t remember which imagineer said this but they basically said - nobody goes home and says “Disney world is amazing - there are 5 shades of white on the grand Floridian” but when they say “Disney world is amazing, there is something about the grand Floridian that is so special” - they are saying it without realizing it.

100%. I've heard that same sentiment from a lot of the Disney creatives. You might not know exactly why something hits you the way it does. But it's absolutely noticable when there is something missing. It's the thing that used to always separate Disney from the rest.

 

[Kamikaze]

You're right, I basically said that in the post. Disney princess is an iconic Disney brand. Of course I wouldn't say don't do princess stuff. Just as I didn't say don't do cars stuff. But let's not pretend that cars is anywhere on the same planet as the princess brand. But again, an ip won't guarantee a good ride and it won't mean it will be bad. It all comes down to if you think it fits in frontier land or if it would be better in another park. Personally. I would rather it go in a different park. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want the ride.

What are the 10 biggest Disney franchises?

Image, left to right: "Steamboat Willie"; "Star Wars: The Last Jedi"; "The Princess and the Frog." (Disney) Awhile ago, I looked at Warner Bros.’s 10 top...

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Disney Princesses, as a franchise, $45b. Cars, $21.5b. Princesses had a 70 year head start. There are also 21 movies vs 3 and 13 different princesses.

So yes, it kinda is 'on the same planet', if we're being completely honest.

Again, placement is the issue, as well as removing RoA. But the IP isn't the problem, and it isn't a 'not relevant' IP like you said.

 

[larryz]

You sign any of them or just came here criticize? At least people care enough to try.

I actually was going to start one myself until I saw the already available options... and read them...

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

What are the 10 biggest Disney franchises?

Image, left to right: "Steamboat Willie"; "Star Wars: The Last Jedi"; "The Princess and the Frog." (Disney) Awhile ago, I looked at Warner Bros.’s 10 top...

buttondown.com

Disney Princesses, as a franchise, $45b. Cars, $21.5b. Princesses had a 70 year head start. There are also 21 movies vs 3 and 13 different princesses.

So yes, it kinda is 'on the same planet', if we're being completely honest.

Again, placement is the issue, as well as removing RoA. But the IP isn't the problem, and it isn't a dying IP like you said.

Disney Princesses as a brand didn't start until 2000, and I doubt the number of total revenue is including each individual princesses' merch sales from 1937-2000.

But yeah, I agree, the placement is the main issue here. I personally can live with Cars, but I can't live with the loss of the only major water feature remaining in MK.

 

[larryz]

Internally, "over ROA" is viewed as significantly less expensive than green field development.

So you're saying there's better ROI if you go over ROA?

 

[orky8]

Here is a look at Radiator Springs Racers overlayed on RoA for an idea of available space

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Pretty sure your scale is off there. This is what I got when I did by best to align scale:

 

[ctrlaltdel]

Pretty sure your scale is off there. This is what I got when I did by best to align scale:

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Yeah was going to say RSR is way bigger than the available space. Still would expect the ride to be big, but it's going to have to twist and turn and do more elevation changes than RSR.

 

[hopemax]

Just have to be honest with yourself, petitions don't move the needle. The boat has sailed on this one as well, layyards are being built and permits being filed. We lost another one...

And the fact that it happened in this way is telling. No time for any objections to be raised outside the confines of Burbank, Glendale and LBV. No expectation of a positive reception. Somewhere in the distance, you can hear Bob Iger saying, "This had better work."

I think it will work as well as Galaxy' Edge. While not a failure, certainly not the ROI that Burbank imagined.

 

[lentesta]

Your political posts are weird. Like bizzaro world weird.

 

[LSLS]

Any chance they reverse course on the location of this new Cars land and move it beyond Big Thunder?
The crowd reaction should have said everything they needed to hear. At their fanboi convention, the room was crickets when it was announced, and has only gotten worse when they announced the location.

None. They know Radiator Springs is big in DL, and they KNEW the backlash that would come from this (hence why they waited til 2 days later to put out the press release instead of facing it head on).

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

This map from the permit suggests that they are interested in building outside the tracks, which makes the fact they're destroying attractions within the track berm even more senseless.

 

[DisneyRoxMySox]

Just saw this tweet by @Brer Oswald - Josh D'Amaro liked a comment of someone saying they don't want Cars. Why?

Because it’s not going to be Frontierland for long…

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Internally, "over ROA" is viewed as significantly less expensive than green field development.

No way it’s less expensive than existing expansion pad development. Why you keep twisting things is beyond me.

I think it will work as well as Galaxy' Edge. While not a failure, certainly not the ROI that Burbank imagined.

The over all Star Wars theme park expansion is pretty close to a failure. In California it didn’t increase attendance and Rise usually has the same wait times as Indy - which means it’s good, but not the must ride.

In Florida the resort was a complete failure - the land did drive attendance at DHS so there was some success there.

In Paris, the Star Wars expansion was cancelled and replaced with Lion King (unless the 2 were at one point going to exist side by side.

 

[wdwmagic]

No way it’s less expensive than existing expansion pad development. Why you keep twisting things is beyond me.

The over all Star Wars theme park expansion is pretty close to a failure. In California it didn’t increase attendance and Rise usually has the same wait times as Indy - which means it’s good, but not the must ride.

In Florida the resort was a complete failure - the land did drive attendance at DHS so there was some success there.

In Paris, the Star Wars expansion was cancelled and replaced with Lion King (unless the 2 were at one point going to exist side by side.

@lentesta is correct, building on ROA is the lower cost option

 

[mickEblu]

Warning to all of you, WDWPro has gone raving mad about it! This is scary!

Just watched his vlog. He’s 100% right.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

@lentesta is correct, building on ROA is the lower cost option

Vs. what?

 

[Haymarket2008]

Fantastic perspective.



"I remember when my family started going to Disney, it felt like there were *so many* lesser-known secrets to discover that kept us coming back. Interactive card games & scavenger hunts, pin trading, Hidden Mickeys, little museums & exhibits, beautiful secluded spots to chill out.

No, that stuff isn't all must-do for the family there for one day trying to max out their number of attractions-ridden. But the obscure things were *why* my family often desired more days at the parks, and kept coming back. Because there were little treasures to stumble upon too. [...]

It gives you a sense of agency and identity in a theme park to know that you can discover the things *you* like to do and enjoy the experience in a way that's different to others. When everything is a super must-do attraction with a 120-minute wait, there are no hidden gems.

In terms of hidden gems, Tom Sawyer Island & The Riverboat were the pinnacle of that idea to me. Some people have said "you never ride them," but I do. Every time. Because when I go to a theme park, I'm not just interested in rides—I'm interested in atmosphere, beauty, discovery..."

This is exactly my thoughts and feelings. Beautifully said.

 

[easyrowrdw]

I’m right there with you. As much as I like the franchise, mater is my least favorite character in many ways. If you could have seen my reaction to the initial news I was completely against Mater in FL as we know it. However this won’t be FL as we know it and everything we’ve seen from the Cars franchise on screen and in the parks (including AOA) says this will have theming and cohesiveness.

I don’t think (based on the concept art) that Mater will be that integral to the ride. He and McQueen appear to be commentating the rallye from their position at the finish line for Radiator Springs Network (RSN). Maybe you’ll hear his voice on the ride vehicle but I don’t think he’ll be intruding on some of the other natural areas of the land.

Just to clarify (not attempting to change your opinion), I was only using Lightning and Mater as examples. It doesn’t matter to me who the Cars are. IMO anthropomorphic vehicles from a world of anthropomorphic vehicles are completely misplaced in Frontierland, just as they would be at Animal Kingdom or the Wilderness Lodge.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

The over all Star Wars theme park expansion is pretty close to a failure. In California it didn’t increase attendance and Rise usually has the same wait times as Indy - which means it’s good, but not the must ride.

Ironically the challenges with Star Wars may be what’s leading to this also. By building this “front and center” as opposed to a land expansion around the backside of the park that can easily be avoided this becomes a visual focal point of interest and one folks must pass. From a design perspective this recenters the “balance of power” in the park in the same way Carsland and BvS did for DCA 2.0.

Compare the popularity of MMRR in DHS vs DL as well. While both are popular DHS still boasts longer lines because of its 1) placement and 2) comparative lack of major attractions. The same comparison can be made here.

Additionally I do believe the Cars IP is significantly more lucrative than SW in its current state.