John Zeller
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If Disney has to have Cars in Magic Kingdom put it where the Speedway is. It's not as if Go Karts fit thematically in Tomorrowland.
anyway.
anyway.
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News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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lazyboy97o
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There is the possibility that history repeats itself. The chairs get one of their regular shuffles, the new people don’t want to spend the money, and they scramble to build a little pond and a steamboat shaped playground instead. Kind of like what was there, just worse.I figured I’ll quote this for emphasis. Of note - they decided against Coco because they did not want to put the new land actually beyond BTM. They decided they wanted to destroy RoA and TSI and then settled on Cars because it could effectively be used in that location - even though the location was the more costly choice.
The cherry on top is that the higher cost also led to Moana not being approved for MK at this time. So not only do we lose existing attractions for an “expansion” but we also didn’t even get an actual new thing in a currently unused area.
MrPromey
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As have they in the many waterways across property.
As have they in the golf course behind my home (daily).
If people were swimming in Rivers of America I'd almost be concerned but then again, there are a lot of natural bodies of water including state parks all over Florida where tubing is a thing and alligators share those spaces, too.
Disney keeps an eye on those gators that are spotted inside the MK and once they become too big or begin to exhibit nuance behavior (usually due to tourists throwing them food - which, btw, is illegal in Florida) they have them removed - same as is done everywhere else in the state.
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Pi on my Cake
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- In the Parks
- Yes
The backlash to this actually hasn't been bad outside this forum. Even among major Disney fans the reception I've seen everywhere else has been positive or mixed at worst. Especially since the concept art seems full of greenery, rockwork, and water features in a way that will keep a lot of the energy and focus on nature that we have now while setting up significantly more practical access to Villains and potential other new expansions
It's taking a beautiful land with an unpopular theme that's impractical to expand and turning it into what (assuming the reality is even half as good as the concept art is which admittedly is not a given with Disney but what they showed today seems rather realistic even if not FINAL) will be a beautiful land with a more popular theme that's very easy to expand
Even as someone who never wanted them to touch the river, seeing the art put a lot of my fears to rest and makes me think that much of what made them so nice will still be there just in a new form
doctornick
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I don’t think we know for sure, but to me the tea leaves suggest because they wanted to remove RoA and TSI because they were viewed as “problematic”.
The key thing is they decided to remove RoA/TSI first and use that location, then decided on an IP. And they didn’t choose it because it was cost effective
eddie104
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I don’t think so and can you tone down the hyperbole a little it’s starting to get ridiculous.
Are you okay ???I figured I’ll quote this for emphasis. Of note - they decided against Coco because they did not want to put the new land actually beyond BTM. They decided they wanted to destroy RoA and TSI and then settled on Cars because it could effectively be used in that location - even though the location was the more costly choice.
The cherry on top is that the higher cost also led to Moana not being approved for MK at this time. So not only do we lose existing attractions for an “expansion” but we also didn’t even get an actual new thing in a currently unused area.
Because I’m so lost and confused why you are freaking out over this change.
I’m just astounded over some people reactions of this project.
Wow would look at that..people actually are finding the silver lining in this news after all.
Also this is level headed way to look the pros and cons of this “expansion”.
MagicHappens1971
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How can anyone continue to post on here and say that Cars Land is not increased capacity???? The attractions there will see more guests in one month than Tom Sawyer Island does in a year. This is insane.
This is not the Door Coaster thread so I'm not going to really push it in here any more than this post.
Slinky Dog Dash commands a 38-inch height requirement. This is a height most 4 year olds can achieve. A number of guests to the parks are under this height limit, but man, I can't imagine taking a family down to Orlando unless at least one/majority of the kids were at least 4 years old and had credibly developed the capacity to form memories. It's not as family friendly as not having a height requirement, but it's pretty close!
Slinky Dog Dash is... fine. For being "fine" it commands a frankly egregious wait time. What does that mean? There is a general demand for attractions that meet or exceed that quality and flavor of experience that is being severely underserved.
Disney does want people to have happy and successful feeling visits, because it gets them to spend more money. The theory around this is complex, but be honest with yourself: have you ever completed every attraction in DHS in a normal day in it's post 2019 configuration? Probably not! Have you ever had the same visit twice, where you do the exact same attractions the same amount of times? Probably not! Do you think every guest has the same goals in a given park visit as you? I would hope not!
There are groups who want to go specifically to enjoy the Toy Story rides. There are groups who want to go to see the stuff added since their last visit. There are groups who want to cover all of the roller coasters. There are groups who want to see all of the shows. There are groups who want to buy as much crap in Galaxy's Edge as they can cram in the plane trip back. I want to ride Tower of Terror at least 3 times.
Meanwhile, while the attraction will generate 15,000 new experiences a day, over a tail beyond probably 9 months at most, it will not drive more than 15,000 additional unique visits a day.
More guests will have more satisfactory trips with this addition. They'll either have this specific new experience to enjoy, or will benefit indirectly from the crowds that go to it and leave other attractions available. If a family finds the idea of the Door Coaster too intense, but not Slinky Dog, they will likely enjoy a significantly shorter wait time than if the Door Coaster didn't exist. If a family feels like they need to ride at least one of the two roller coasters, they'll benefit for the same reason. If they don't want to or can't stand in line for either, they'll enjoy lower demand from people who now feel better served by having the new ride.
TrainsOfDisney
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I’m sure there was a concept sketch that included keeping the riverboat and this attraction - big thunder in Paris anyone?
There definitely was a way to make this more of a win-win.
It’s pretty simple math, actually.
TSI + LB + Cars = Y guests/hour
or
Cars = X guests/hour
Which sum is higher capacity?
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spaceghost
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What can I say, I'm an optimist!
splah
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RSR is an excellent attraction and I'm sure this will be as well, but what we're all saying is that it "feels" wrong. The setting, apart from a few pieces of rockwork that look like car parts, is just woods and trees. It's not transportive (pardon the pun). I could book a trip now to go ATVing in the the west, but I can't go back to the Old West. I can't go to the beasts village, i can't go to a cartoon circus, etc.
the magic kingdom should be the park with the most history, weight, and nostalgia.
I am also concerned their answer to universal is to be more like universal. encanto and the smaller cars ride are the only young children rides they are adding and when you look across the global portfolio it is all high thrill rides. the parks are morphing and leaving behind what made them successful to chase an expanded demographic
the magic kingdom should be the park with the most history, weight, and nostalgia.
I am also concerned their answer to universal is to be more like universal. encanto and the smaller cars ride are the only young children rides they are adding and when you look across the global portfolio it is all high thrill rides. the parks are morphing and leaving behind what made them successful to chase an expanded demographic
surfsupdon
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This is really going to destroy the frontier.
Man how I hate IP.
Man how I hate IP.
doctornick
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I’m adamantly against removing the waterfront. It literally will destroy the ambiance and views from Liberty Sq and the Frontierland “town”.
And also important, it yet again is Disney spending craploads of money to replace rather than expand at WDW. Over and over and over again, we see billions of dollars spent with marginal gains (if any!) in capacity. There is a ton of unused land available at MK - build on that instead of replacing. Actually make additions.
doctornick
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Hey, you know what would increase capacity more? Cars and RoA/TSI.
MagicHappens1971
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The difference is likely negligbile. Very few guests ever venture out onto to TSI. The Riverboat is another story.
This Cars expansion of Frontierland will add 2 attractions that guests will actually want to experience, and I would assume at least one QSR/TSR option and a snack stand or two, and probably a merchandise location. VS a nearly vacant island & the Riverboat.
I will miss the Liberty Belle, I think it does provide some great kinetic energy and hope that it can be somewhat replicated with this.
Also this seems to make it easier to open up the connection to Villains Land and future expansion.
Starship824
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- In the Parks
- No
I guess you're right. Whatever they actually end up building has to blow away. What is currently there now though this cannot be cheap in any way possible. Reading through this forum and Twitter is making me way more angry and sad than I really need to be. Hopefully they add in a lot of water elements and rest areas to keep at some of the peaceful part of the park. Honestly the more I think about this the more conflicted I feel and I really don't know what to think until it actually happens. Unfortunately there track record with these things has been pretty bad recently although with the fact that they brought back Bruce Vaughn and hired a bunch more people recently gives me a little hope.
UNCgolf
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I understand your point, but the issue is that everything you mention would be better served if it was different kind of attraction. The Door Coaster is a worse solution for all of these issues than something else.
Basically, the Door Coaster is maybe a B solution to everything you're discussing, whereas a major D or even E ticket dark or boat ride would be an A solution. It's not the best fit from a capacity or operations standpoint.
That doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that it's not the absolute best one if they actually want to significantly help the park. If they're removing Muppets to add it, it just compounds the problems.
And here I thought I was the only one thinking that!
MagicHappens1971
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I’ve said it in here before and will say it again, Disney saw the opportunity to replace an under-utilized, under-performing and frankly unknown/unpopular location at their busiest theme park and replace it with something that guests will enjoy. It allows them to continue to expand “Beyond Big Thunder”.