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erasure fan1

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Like I mentioned, I can see the logic. But the measuring stick on KK is not how she lives up to Feige. It’s how she’s doing compared to most external producers.
For me I think what changes comparing her to other producers is, other producers are not in charge of star wars. When she took the job star wars was as high of a profile ip as you can get. So for me the stage is just a lot bigger. Fair or not, the higher the profile, the less slack you will get.
 
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Disstevefan1

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Yeah, let’s get back to talking about whether this is going to limp past $400M WW, and if so, by how much.
FWIW, Sonic 3 earned $486M WW, and $235M domestic.
The access media says the break even is 450M (no one knows what it actually costs to make and market).

Disney is powerful enough to keep it in the 4105 theaters and money will trickle in until it passes 450M in my opinion.
 
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Vegas Disney Fan

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Like I mentioned, I can see the logic. But the measuring stick on KK is not how she lives up to Feige. It’s how she’s doing compared to most external producers.

I’m not saying it’s currently stellar or exceptional, historically she was in partnership with Spielberg. But it is still generally above average. Force Awakens, the last Jedi, Rogue One and Mandalorian are sizeable financial achievements.

Now that said, do I think she’s a good Star Wars steward? Not really, no. She acts far more like a producer with openness to talent than the great orchestrator than Feige has solely figured out. Everyone wants a pseudo creative in the role.

But in terms of producers, if you generally once hit the top earner of the year per decade, you are quite shielded. Maybe the standards aren’t high enough? That’s all I’m getting at, even under Lucas Film her track record is above industry average.
I think her impressive history rightfully earned KK a lot of leeway but I think she’s ran out of chances, overlooking a couple bad movies is pretty easy, especially when they’re still resulting in great box office results, but now that it’s been a decade of decline, and the brand is clearly diminished I don’t know how you overlook the failure at the top.

Feige is a harder call for me, I think he’s lost his Midas touch also but with all the outside influences on Marvel (primarily the actor issues that destroyed the Kang storyline) I think he’s earned a few more shots before writing him off also.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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I think her impressive history rightfully earned KK a lot of leeway but I think she’s ran out of chances, overlooking a couple bad movies is pretty easy, especially when they’re still resulting in great box office results, but now that it’s been a decade of decline, and the brand is clearly diminished I don’t know how you overlook the failure at the top.

Feige is a harder call for me, I think he’s lost his Midas touch also but with all the outside influences on Marvel (primarily the actor issues that destroyed the Kang storyline) I think he’s earned a few more shots before writing him off also.
She was never a creative…she was an administrator and a great one at that

Whoever is making “creative” choices…they’ve got the wrong people
The Russo brothers are doing the next two Avengers movie.

So, I have no reservations regarding Marvel movies.
After they offed the two characters that held 20 movies together…you should
 

erasure fan1

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The Russo brothers are doing the next two Avengers movie.

So, I have no reservations regarding Marvel movies.
Not even a little? While I'm glad the Russos are back, I do still have reservations. Weaving this all back together to get people reinvested is going to be tricky. It's surely not an impossibility, but it's also not a slam dunk either in my opinion.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

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Not even a little? While I'm glad the Russos are back, I do still have reservations. Weaving this all back together is going to get people reinvested is going to be tricky. It's surely not an impossibility, but it's also not a slam dunk either in my opinion.
I walked past the thunderbolts movie poster yesterday

That roster sucks…

They best figure how to reincarnate dead people for the avengers
 

AdventureHasAName

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Like I mentioned, I can see the logic. But the measuring stick on KK is not how she lives up to Feige. It’s how she’s doing compared to most external producers.
I think the proper measuring stick for Kennedy is how she performed in her role in comparison to how the best available producer would have performed in the same role. Lucasfilm is a huge corporation with control of mega-popular intellectual property - almost any producer in the country would cut off their left arm to run Lucasfilm, so the group of "available" producers is basically everyone (except Feige). So really, the proper measuring stick for Kennedy is how she performed in her role in comparison to how the best producers would have performed in the same role.

And in that comparison, she flunks. I think you could pick an average 50 year old Star Wars fan off the street and they would have performed better in the same role. She basically destroyed the most valuable IP in pop culture (Star Wars) and wasted another (Indiana Jones). LucasArts was dismantled under her watch and I'm not a huge gamer, but the volume of interesting and fun to play Lucasfilm-related 3rd-party games appears to be sparse over the last two decades.

She's a backup dancer who was put in charge of a billion-dollar company and predictably wasted her opportunity and hurt the company.
 
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erasure fan1

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I walked past the thunderbolts movie poster yesterday

That roster sucks…

They best figure how to reincarnate dead people for the avengers
I don't know why, but I'm more positive on thunderbolts. I have no idea if it will be good, or anyone will care. I just like Bucky, red guardian and Yelena. Can they carry the film? I have no idea.

I have no idea what the plans are for the next avengers as we know very little. If they lean into the two most successful post endgame films, no way home and Deadpool, they'll have a shot. The 3 spidermen and Deadpool and wolverine will be a draw. Add in RDJ for the curiosity factor for an extra boost. Like the thunderbolts, can they pull it off? I'd love to say yes. But my confidence in Marvel isn't the greatest right now.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I don't know why, but I'm more positive on thunderbolts. I have no idea if it will be good, or anyone will care. I just like Bucky, red guardian and Yelena. Can they carry the film? I have no idea.

I have no idea what the plans are for the next avengers as we know very little. If they lean into the two most successful post endgame films, no way home and Deadpool, they'll have a shot. The 3 spidermen and Deadpool and wolverine will be a draw. Add in RDJ for the curiosity factor for an extra boost. Like the thunderbolts, can they pull it off? I'd love to say yes. But my confidence in Marvel isn't the greatest right now.
It looks like a trainwreck

You’d assume studios wouldn’t barrel ahead when they have one on their hands

…but no…must release on schedule
 

AdventureHasAName

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I walked past the thunderbolts movie poster yesterday

That roster sucks…

They best figure how to reincarnate dead people for the avengers
The only way I see the Thunderbolts working is if (1) they have to break Ross out of the Raft early in the film because they need Red Hulk, and (2) Taskmaster appears to be killed early in the film, then returns, and the big third-act reveal is it is Zemo (who escaped the Raft during the Ross breakout and has been pulling the strings all along). I have no reason to believe either of these are plot points in the film, but these are the two plot points the film needs, imho.
 

Phroobar

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I think the proper measuring stick for Kennedy is how she performed in her role in comparison to how the best available producer would have performed in the same role. Lucasfilm is a huge corporation with control of mega-popular intellectual property - almost any producer in the country would cut off their left arm to run Lucasfilm, so the group of "available" producers is basically everyone (except Feige). So really, the proper measuring stick for Kennedy is how she performed in her role in comparison to how the best producers would have performed in the same role.

And in that comparison, she flunks. I think you could pick an average 50 year old Star Wars fan off the street and they would have performed better in the same role. She basically destroyed the most valuable IP in pop culture (Star Wars) and wasted another (Indiana Jones). LucasArts was dismantled under her watch and I'm not a huge gamer, but the volume of interesting and fun to play Lucasfilm-related 3rd-party games appears to be sparse over the last two decades.

She's a backup dancer who was put in charge of a billion-dollar company and predictably wasted her opportunity and hurt the company.
Not to mention what she did to Willow.
Disney is so embarrassed by it, you can't even watch show anymore. However you can watch all the seasons of Bunk'd.
 

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