Can They Expand??

Disneyhead'71

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Universal will never have 27 sq. miles of uninterrupted land in Central FL. But don't think for a second that Universal won't be expanding. All it takes is money.

And yes, Disney is finally improving DTD.....after letting a 3rd of the complex sit ply boarded up for 6 years. They just replace a decade plus old parade so we are good on parades for 15 years or so. The last E Ticket added to the MK was years before my oldest daughter was born. She goes to college this year.
And before we start talking about 5th and 6th gates, they should probably address the fact that 2 of their existing parks have 6 or less rides. I know, it's weird, people expect there to be rides in their amusement parks.
 

seascape

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That is like the pipe dream of Universal building a 3rd gate and a water park that will blow either of the Disney Water Parks away. where will Universal do this. They do not have the land. Also let's be real here even the name of the website we are on is WDWMAGIC NOT UNIVERSAL MAGIC.
 

Disneyhead'71

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That is like the pipe dream of Universal building a 3rd gate and a water park that will blow either of the Disney Water Parks away. where will Universal do this. They do not have the land. Also let's be real here even the name of the website we are on is WDWMAGIC NOT UNIVERSAL MAGIC.
You are aware that Universal recently bought 55 acres at I Drive and Universal Blvd. And the water park is not a pipe dream.
 

lazyboy97o

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That is like the pipe dream of Universal building a 3rd gate and a water park that will blow either of the Disney Water Parks away. where will Universal do this. They do not have the land. Also let's be real here even the name of the website we are on is WDWMAGIC NOT UNIVERSAL MAGIC.
Maybe you should spend some time learning before making statements that make you look silly.
 

seascape

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You universal fans are so sensitive. I should not have made the joke about the name of the website we are on but let's be real here I never said anything bad about Universal and their parks. In fact I said some nice things about them. But there is no way in Orlando that Universal could pass WDW in market share or attendance. I am happy for them and all the people in Orlando and visitors to Orlando and think they will push Disney and that is good. I Still do not see them building a better water park than Disney because Universal would make more money with a third theme park than a water park.. water parks make less but still take a lot of land
 

lazyboy97o

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You universal fans are so sensitive. I should not have made the joke about the name of the website we are on but let's be real here I never said anything bad about Universal and their parks. In fact I said some nice things about them. But there is no way in Orlando that Universal could pass WDW in market share or attendance. I am happy for them and all the people in Orlando and visitors to Orlando and think they will push Disney and that is good. I Still do not see them building a better water park than Disney because Universal would make more money with a third theme park than a water park.. water parks make less but still take a lot of land
Is that why the industry has seen such a shift towards water park investment?
 

Disneyhead'71

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You universal fans are so sensitive. I should not have made the joke about the name of the website we are on but let's be real here I never said anything bad about Universal and their parks. In fact I said some nice things about them. But there is no way in Orlando that Universal could pass WDW in market share or attendance. I am happy for them and all the people in Orlando and visitors to Orlando and think they will push Disney and that is good. I Still do not see them building a better water park than Disney because Universal would make more money with a third theme park than a water park.. water parks make less but still take a lot of land
Universal's goal isn't to out do Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach. Their goal is to one up Yas Waterworld (which is the planets premier water park) in the UAE .
 

seascape

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I enjoy water parks and know they are growing. but if you think anyone is taking a vacation to Orlando to go a water park you are wrong. MMost hotels in Orlando have great pools with water slides and some have lazy rivets too. people take vacation spot to Orlando to see Disney and or Universal. L
Locals who pay much less per day may pick one or the other based on the water park but that will not add much to the bottom line of a national theme park or an international one.
 

GLaDOS

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But there is no way in Orlando that Universal could pass WDW in market share or attendance

No one has ever made that claim. And that is not Universal's goal. So yea.

water parks make less but still take a lot of land

Water parks take up about 40-60% less land than a full park.

Universal's goal isn't to out do Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach. Their goal is to one up Yas Waterworld (which is the planets premier water park) in the UAE .

And to redefine the water park in general.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
That is like the pipe dream of Universal building a 3rd gate and a water park that will blow either of the Disney Water Parks away. where will Universal do this. They do not have the land. Also let's be real here even the name of the website we are on is WDWMAGIC NOT UNIVERSAL MAGIC.

But you are posting in a Uni forum on WDWMAGIC, in a thread that was about the land available to Uni. You are the one who decided to turn it into another Uni vs Disney debate.
 

JediMasterMatt

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You universal fans are so sensitive...

Everyone who has responded is a confirmed fan of Disney. We all LOVE it. That's why we are here to begin with. We love it so much that we care about WDW's direction and its future. We see the bad decisions, neglect, and general apathy that has become the norm at the resort and we WANT to do something about it.

We see the competition, Universal, doing most everything right and want our "team" to step up and compete; but, that isn't happening and that is why it hurts.

I'm not picking on you seascape; but, your responses to the Universal "situation" are EXACTLY what the management in Orlando are preying on. Loyalty. Blind, dedicated, untarnished, can't do anything wrong loyalty. For this audience that can't see past their love of Walt Disney World, the executives in Orlando have rewarded all of us with a resort that has fallen into malaise.

While the "loyal" fan sees the wonders of new Fantasyland being open as they wake up early 180 days in advance to attempt to make a reservation for their favorite restaurant, then 60 days gets up in the middle of the night to to plan exactly what they want to do on a specific day and hope they can get the reservations for an attraction they want that won't conflict with their dinner reservations, then arrive on that "magical day" to spend all day watching their clock to make sure their months of planning and time they've invested doesn't go to waste. The loyal fan does all of this with a smile because it is "their" resort.

The practical fan looks at the above and says - I'm happy new Fantasyland is open but why did it take so long to build, let alone take so long before something of it's magnitude was even started and is the magnitude of what has actually been opened worthy of the first major investment in the world's busiest theme park. A practical fan looks at what is required to plan and reserve our vacation using the new tools in place and have to wonder - is it worth it?

The bottom line is that the entire situation at WDW is caused by all of us you provide the place our patronage. Instead of making exciting new attractions to get guests to visit, they are investing heavily in making sure that when you commit your dollars to Disney - you are in fact, committed. Your day is planned. They've got the reservations to prove it. No need to make a shiny new ride, add a new themed area, no need to expand. Just lock you into not leaving the resort.

My Disney World was one that there was always something new opening each visit and more importantly, there was always something new on the horizon for the visit after that. This is what Universal Orlando is doing right now. They have a queue of new rides and attractions lined up year after year.

Yes, WDW has attractions in the pipeline; but, how many of them are opening on your next visit?

An attraction in the hand is better than two in the pipeline.

Even the big things on the horizon are years away. The blind fan sees this "hamburger tomorrow" and waits patiently.

I choose to look at it as another example of apathy. Pandora is coming when? How about Rivers of Light?

If you want a perfect example of how little TDO cares, look at what is going on at the Magic Kingdom. The crown jewel of all amusement parks is currently got a butchers knife being cut right through the very heart of it - the hub. While yes, the remodeled hub is going to hopefully be a nice improvement and a necessary evil to corral all those captive FP+ cattle - the real question is why this project is going to take until 2015 to complete? They are filling in some moats, leveling some land, pouring some concrete and planting some trees and yet the hub looks like a freeway under construction. Ask yourself, when were the moats drained and how much progress has been made? Remind yourself, that Disneyland itself was built in less time. This project is going to take until 2015 because TDO has decided to take that long.

I've decided that I'm going to give WDW some tough love. TDO isn't going to get as many visits from me as they use to or as many as I could. I won't stop going; but, I am going to stop providing them my unbridled loyalty. I'll take small trips here and there and you bet I'll stop in to check on the competition up I-4 just to be reminded how "my team" use to swing for the fences.

What changed my mind is I visited Disneyland Resort and am reminded of what is possible in Orlando. They will get my Disney dollars.

Seascape, I would encourage you to do the same. It would be an eye opener. I can't stand the Cars movies but am blown away by the quality of the Land. The same could be with you and Potter. You don't have to be a fan to appreciate quality. You may see this quality and be reminded all over again why you love WDW in the first place.
 

maxairmike

Well-Known Member
You universal fans are so sensitive. I should not have made the joke about the name of the website we are on but let's be real here I never said anything bad about Universal and their parks. In fact I said some nice things about them. But there is no way in Orlando that Universal could pass WDW in market share or attendance. I am happy for them and all the people in Orlando and visitors to Orlando and think they will push Disney and that is good. I Still do not see them building a better water park than Disney because Universal would make more money with a third theme park than a water park.. water parks make less but still take a lot of land

First of all, I'm not a Universal fan and I'm not a Disney fan, just so that is clear (again).

That said, check some of the earlier posts in the thread, particularly the image @neoshinok posted (from yours truly). While not entirely accurate (again, see one of my previous posts), it does give a good overview of land that is not out of play for Universal. Also, that image doesn't take into account the Major Blvd. lots right across the street from their current land. Combined with their recent land purchase of WnW and surrounding lots as well as some publicly available roadway and other development plans, it isn't too hard to put together a rough larger picture of the direction the larger I-Drive area including the inevitable Universal expansion via land requisition is headed in.

I'm well aware of the acreage you mentioned in an earlier post that the RCID owns, however you will never see meaningful development - or at least any pertaining to WDW - on those parcels. In fact, quite a bit of the northern lots are dotted or completely covered by man-made retention ponds. The few that are off to the east of the resort are already pretty much at their maximum development potential, and any subsequent residential development will see the land de-annexed, just like with Vista Way.
 

Disneyhead'71

Well-Known Member
Everyone who has responded is a confirmed fan of Disney. We all LOVE it. That's why we are here to begin with. We love it so much that we care about WDW's direction and its future. We see the bad decisions, neglect, and general apathy that has become the norm at the resort and we WANT to do something about it.

We see the competition, Universal, doing most everything right and want our "team" to step up and compete; but, that isn't happening and that is why it hurts.

I'm not picking on you seascape; but, your responses to the Universal "situation" are EXACTLY what the management in Orlando are preying on. Loyalty. Blind, dedicated, untarnished, can't do anything wrong loyalty. For this audience that can't see past their love of Walt Disney World, the executives in Orlando have rewarded all of us with a resort that has fallen into malaise.

While the "loyal" fan sees the wonders of new Fantasyland being open as they wake up early 180 days in advance to attempt to make a reservation for their favorite restaurant, then 60 days gets up in the middle of the night to to plan exactly what they want to do on a specific day and hope they can get the reservations for an attraction they want that won't conflict with their dinner reservations, then arrive on that "magical day" to spend all day watching their clock to make sure their months of planning and time they've invested doesn't go to waste. The loyal fan does all of this with a smile because it is "their" resort.

The practical fan looks at the above and says - I'm happy new Fantasyland is open but why did it take so long to build, let alone take so long before something of it's magnitude was even started and is the magnitude of what has actually been opened worthy of the first major investment in the world's busiest theme park. A practical fan looks at what is required to plan and reserve our vacation using the new tools in place and have to wonder - is it worth it?

The bottom line is that the entire situation at WDW is caused by all of us you provide the place our patronage. Instead of making exciting new attractions to get guests to visit, they are investing heavily in making sure that when you commit your dollars to Disney - you are in fact, committed. Your day is planned. They've got the reservations to prove it. No need to make a shiny new ride, add a new themed area, no need to expand. Just lock you into not leaving the resort.

My Disney World was one that there was always something new opening each visit and more importantly, there was always something new on the horizon for the visit after that. This is what Universal Orlando is doing right now. They have a queue of new rides and attractions lined up year after year.

Yes, WDW has attractions in the pipeline; but, how many of them are opening on your next visit?

An attraction in the hand is better than two in the pipeline.

Even the big things on the horizon are years away. The blind fan sees this "hamburger tomorrow" and waits patiently.

I choose to look at it as another example of apathy. Pandora is coming when? How about Rivers of Light?

If you want a perfect example of how little TDO cares, look at what is going on at the Magic Kingdom. The crown jewel of all amusement parks is currently got a butchers knife being cut right through the very heart of it - the hub. While yes, the remodeled hub is going to hopefully be a nice improvement and a necessary evil to corral all those captive FP+ cattle - the real question is why this project is going to take until 2015 to complete? They are filling in some moats, leveling some land, pouring some concrete and planting some trees and yet the hub looks like a freeway under construction. Ask yourself, when were the moats drained and how much progress has been made? Remind yourself, that Disneyland itself was built in less time. This project is going to take until 2015 because TDO has decided to take that long.

I've decided that I'm going to give WDW some tough love. TDO isn't going to get as many visits from me as they use to or as many as I could. I won't stop going; but, I am going to stop providing them my unbridled loyalty. I'll take small trips here and there and you bet I'll stop in to check on the competition up I-4 just to be reminded how "my team" use to swing for the fences.

What changed my mind is I visited Disneyland Resort and am reminded of what is possible in Orlando. They will get my Disney dollars.

Seascape, I would encourage you to do the same. It would be an eye opener. I can't stand the Cars movies but am blown away by the quality of the Land. The same could be with you and Potter. You don't have to be a fan to appreciate quality. You may see this quality and be reminded all over again why you love WDW in the first place.
Like X 100= Nailed It!
 

JediMasterMatt

Well-Known Member
As a theme park resort, I think even Disney has learned that something the size of Walt Disney World is more detriment than asset. There are a lot of efficiencies lost when you spread out your hotels and parks and services and night life and so on.

Actually, the size is used to the management's advantage now. If WDW was more compact and it was easier to get around, it would take less time to take in the resort and thus less days required. This goes against the required business model of filling rooms.

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason why you wont see monorails and other quick access methods of travel around the resort. It would showcase just how little time would be required for DHS and AK.
 

StageFrenzy

Well-Known Member
Actually, the size is used to the management's advantage now. If WDW was more compact and it was easier to get around, it would take less time to take in the resort and thus less days required. This goes against the required business model of filling rooms.

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason why you wont see monorails and other quick access methods of travel around the resort. It would showcase just how little time would be required for DHS and AK.

The time that people are spending on transportation is time that people aren't spending money in the parks(in theory). Transportation cost $$$, If given a choice between the costs of transportation DL vs WDW with 2 nights less at DL. Team Disney chooses DL every time.
 

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