trr1
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they could see if this is more wallet friendly
http://www.psfk.com/2008/10/in-a-pod-car-world.html
http://www.psfk.com/2008/10/in-a-pod-car-world.html
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Can disney expand the Walt Disney World Monorial?
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Roxas
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The bus driver told me they were building a monorail from MK to TDS. He also said there are plans for a 5th gate.
I can't really see the point in this one. There will only be a (relativly) small number of guests who will benefit. Better to spend the money elsewhere.
DisneyparkFreak
Active Member
The monorail as we know it will not be around for ever. We may get the DL look-a-like of the new trains... Ones that fit our beam, have AC and dont smell like a monkey house at a zoo but that may be it. PODS are the futuristic idea now, like the ones at heathrow intl. airport in london.
In my opinion the monorails were placed there to give the guest a sense of "magic" and futuristic vision. Now who hasnt heard that disney has monorails or havent rode on them. Come on its an electric train set in the sky, Chicago has an above ground train system too.
Why expand something that is totally out dated when you can wait maybe 5 more years and build something revolutionary.
Just my opinion... Please forgive the spelling errors.
In my opinion the monorails were placed there to give the guest a sense of "magic" and futuristic vision. Now who hasnt heard that disney has monorails or havent rode on them. Come on its an electric train set in the sky, Chicago has an above ground train system too.
Why expand something that is totally out dated when you can wait maybe 5 more years and build something revolutionary.
Just my opinion... Please forgive the spelling errors.
goofyfan13
Well-Known Member
I think it could work, but they would have to severely alter the current setup. The TTC would have to be moved to the Epcot parking lot, or close to it, since really it wouldn't make sense if you wanted to go from say the Boardwalk to AK, but had to travel all the way to the current TTC. From a centrally located TTC you could branch out to the other 4 parks, WWS and DD.
If they did decided to expand, I think it should be a deluxe resort perk only. Going to the moderates and values would probably make it more confusing than it needed to be. Whereas with just the deluxes, parks and DD you could do a loop around the Epcot resorts and Epcot. Another loop up to the old TTC for MK and MK Resorts, and another loop for AK and AKL. You could add DHS and WWS as their own loop, and DTD as its own loop.
That's just me thinking out loud about a way that would make it as efficient as possible, however, it all comes down to money, and as others have said, the busses are much more efficient and cheaper. Disney could definitely make it work, but I don't have any hope that they will even attempt it, it's just not cost efficient anymore. :shrug:
If they did decided to expand, I think it should be a deluxe resort perk only. Going to the moderates and values would probably make it more confusing than it needed to be. Whereas with just the deluxes, parks and DD you could do a loop around the Epcot resorts and Epcot. Another loop up to the old TTC for MK and MK Resorts, and another loop for AK and AKL. You could add DHS and WWS as their own loop, and DTD as its own loop.
That's just me thinking out loud about a way that would make it as efficient as possible, however, it all comes down to money, and as others have said, the busses are much more efficient and cheaper. Disney could definitely make it work, but I don't have any hope that they will even attempt it, it's just not cost efficient anymore. :shrug:
goofyfan13
Well-Known Member
That would be one long monorail ride.... :lol:
Tom
Beta Return
What was it......$1 million a mile back in 1971? Whatever it would cost today would be cost-prohibitive for such an archaic system. Don't get me wrong, I LOOOOOVVVEEE the monorail, but it's really an electric train on a concrete track in the air.
The new Pod system is the wave of the future. Individually addressable cars that can follow switches and pull off at requested stations as needed. If any mass transit system is to be built, I'd much rather them wait until something like this is more developed, proven and "in the budget".
Right now, getting around property is fairly easy. You can drive, or you can take Disney transportation. Except for park closing time, I'll stick my neck out and say that the WDW Bus System is fairly decent. Sure, it has kinks and they really need to learn how to dispatch, but it moves a ________-load of people every day.
I'd prefer they spend a few bucks in the parks first, then worry about another mode of transportation, really.
The new Pod system is the wave of the future. Individually addressable cars that can follow switches and pull off at requested stations as needed. If any mass transit system is to be built, I'd much rather them wait until something like this is more developed, proven and "in the budget".
Right now, getting around property is fairly easy. You can drive, or you can take Disney transportation. Except for park closing time, I'll stick my neck out and say that the WDW Bus System is fairly decent. Sure, it has kinks and they really need to learn how to dispatch, but it moves a ________-load of people every day.
I'd prefer they spend a few bucks in the parks first, then worry about another mode of transportation, really.
Mr.EPCOT
Active Member
Now now, let's be completely honest here, buses are cheaper in the SHORT-TERM. Monorails are pricey at the outset, but quite a money saver in the long run.
And no way are buses more efficient, at least from the Guest point of view.
s8film40
Well-Known Member
It's not just a matter of comparing costs of buses versus monorails. It's a matter of service, It's a decision that Disney has had to make whether or not they want to provide that level of service. They certainly have the money to do it and ultimately it would save them money in the long run. Sometime since WDW was built there has been a shift from long term to short term and from First class service to Value service. When WDW was built there was absolutely no need whatsoever for monorail service to the Magic Kingdom in fact it wasn't even part of Walt's original plan for the park. They actually went out of their way to create a need for monorails. Monorails were built not for an efficient means of transportation but to add to the overall experience. When WDW was built no expense was spared the fate of the Disney company was risked to open what was rightfully called the Vacation Kingdom of the World. There was a sense of Grandness instilled in the resort and the level of quality could be seen not only in the park but in every aspect of the resort. This was a point in time when "staying on property" was a rare experience that only few could experience. This mindset continued through to the construction of EPCOT Center again the designers did not look at this as a short term project it was meant to last for generations. The huge buildings instilled a sense of permanency and established a bold vision of the future. Somewhere along the way things shifted to become a vacation resort that everyone could enjoy. More hotels were added to ensure anyone who wanted to could afford to stay "on property". All of the little details outside of the advertised parks started to disappear so that the resources could be used to expand the theme park offerings. The celebrations over the past decade have portrayed a sense of "now", now is the time to visit WDW don't worry about next year, the celebration may be over by then. Where the impression used to be that it was a timeless place that your great grand children would one day visit the focus has shifted to the year at hand. Today almost anyone can visit WDW and there are far more theme park attractions available to them. Not having monorails to all the major destinations is simply the price we've paid to be able to stay "on property" for $79 a night. I don't think this is necessarily bad or good it's just the path they have chosen. Certainly far fewer people would have been able to experience WDW had Walt Disney not died.
Uncle Lupe
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So the deluxe resorts get the monorail and the value resorts get to choose from pair of roller blades or the new human catapult :fork:
KingStefan
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They'll never put in a monorail extension like the one that is there now. Too costly to build, and also to run.
However, one of the several pod systems, small versions of which already exist in many differrent places, is something that I hope eventually will be installed in WDW. It would be an attraction in itself. It would be really cool.
However, one of the several pod systems, small versions of which already exist in many differrent places, is something that I hope eventually will be installed in WDW. It would be an attraction in itself. It would be really cool.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Even if they DID built monorail extensions, they would NOT be going anywhere near the value resorts. Hence the name VALUE.
goofyfan13
Well-Known Member
Exactly, you get what you pay for. I'm a firm believer that the monorail should be for the Deluxe resorts only, even though I traditionally stay at either Shades of Green or one of the Moderates.
Uncle Lupe
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I do not suggest that a monorail system be built to the value resorts either. They do need something magical, that's why I endorse the Rocket Rod or Rocket Pod hybrid system to the TTC, Animal Kingdom, DHS or Epcot
Uncle Lupe
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Wow, didn't know that the monorail being only for the elite or "Deluxe" was such a touchy subject.
KingStefan
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There is a great thread over here:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=367972
that discusses several transportation systems that would suit moving visitors around between the parks, and perhaps between some or all resorts. They all sound really neat, and I think some of them would be quite feasible for WDW.
Basically driverless "pods" of various sizes that can accomodate from a few people (like 6) to 20 or 30 people (maybe more?) travel around closed roadways. The smaller ones would go directly to the destination selected. Larger ones would be along a fixed route with one or more destinations (it would stop only on demand). There could be one or the other or some combination.
It would be so great! Not only would it be a great alternative to the busses (which could still be used to handle overflow situations), but it would be high-tech and futuristic (or at least state-of-the-art) and would be an attraction in itself! And it's not something that would require much development, because there are systems out there working and/or planned right now.
It would be scalable and expandable, too.
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=367972
that discusses several transportation systems that would suit moving visitors around between the parks, and perhaps between some or all resorts. They all sound really neat, and I think some of them would be quite feasible for WDW.
Basically driverless "pods" of various sizes that can accomodate from a few people (like 6) to 20 or 30 people (maybe more?) travel around closed roadways. The smaller ones would go directly to the destination selected. Larger ones would be along a fixed route with one or more destinations (it would stop only on demand). There could be one or the other or some combination.
It would be so great! Not only would it be a great alternative to the busses (which could still be used to handle overflow situations), but it would be high-tech and futuristic (or at least state-of-the-art) and would be an attraction in itself! And it's not something that would require much development, because there are systems out there working and/or planned right now.
It would be scalable and expandable, too.
Tom
Beta Return
At this point in time, I don't foresee WDW building anything that doesn't directly generate revenue. Adding another method of resort transportation won't make more people come to WDW or spend more money there or stay on property longer - no matter how cool it is.
For those of you who don't know what this "pod" system is: if you've ridden the new SSE, you've probably seen it in the Your Future video at the end. I forget the options, but one of the transportation options shows you getting into a pod that pulls over at your house, and then joins the stream of pods on the main track.
It's a cool system, but I'd also hate to see it at any of the themed resorts. The monorail is fairly unobtrusive at the Poly and GF, but can you imagine some futuristic pod system coming up to the Wilderness Lodge? :hurl:
It would just ruin the theming....plus I'd much rather they spend that money on another E-Ticket rather than a supplmenet to the bus system. Just my opinion.
For those of you who don't know what this "pod" system is: if you've ridden the new SSE, you've probably seen it in the Your Future video at the end. I forget the options, but one of the transportation options shows you getting into a pod that pulls over at your house, and then joins the stream of pods on the main track.
It's a cool system, but I'd also hate to see it at any of the themed resorts. The monorail is fairly unobtrusive at the Poly and GF, but can you imagine some futuristic pod system coming up to the Wilderness Lodge? :hurl:
It would just ruin the theming....plus I'd much rather they spend that money on another E-Ticket rather than a supplmenet to the bus system. Just my opinion.