Rumor Bye Bye (Tiki) Birdies?

ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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The Empress Lilly said:
See, that's what makes all this so infuriating.

Why replace the MK with something else? Both the MK and the other new park can exist successfully. Even within the same company. I personally don't care for the new MK - a **** park for hicks with even thicker wallets than skulls. But none of that would bother me if they would just have the courtesy to built it someplace else. Why destroy my heaven for it? And that of tens of millions of others. An American classic.
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WDW increasingly reminds me of this

 
TalkingHead

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Casper Gutman said:
See, I just don't believe this. I don't think people have gotten that much worse in 20 years, or are in some way superior in California (really... California?)

Walt believed environment largely dictated behavior, and he was right. Create a polite, clean, orderly environment and people will respond.

Stick a few of the biggies - Mickey, Elsa, current IP star - in a set location and let random characters wander around. Heck, it's even a way to keep folks in the park and offer them something to do while waiting for their FP+ to pop (something WDW sorely needs) - gotta catch 'em all!!
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Not to mention Universal is able to have wandering characters without mass pandemonium. It adds atmosphere and spontaneity, two things modern WDW execs seem to have contempt for.
 
NearTheEars

NearTheEars

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Magenta Panther said:
I think WDW1974 can take some credit in saving the Tower in WDW. If he hadn't alerted us, we wouldn't have gone yelling to TDO about it, and maybe, just maybe, that had some part in its salvation. I like to think so, anyway...
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I'd like to think it did. Once that rumor was out there, social media lit up for several weeks. But them again, he's also said they don't really care what fans like us think, or at all about history. So who knows.
 
Casper Gutman

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NearTheEars said:
I'd like to think it did. Once that rumor was out there, social media lit up for several weeks. But them again, he's also said they don't really care what fans like us think, or at all about history. So who knows.
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I suspect the situation is one in which execs don't take fan desires into consideration when making plans (noone in the upper echelons of the Mouse House would reply to the Guardians ToT plans by saying "but what of the poor fans?") but they are easily spooked by unexpected torrents of guest indignation, particularly if letters and e-mails get to them directly and if "social media," a scary and inexplicable beast to many execs, seems overwhelmingly negative.
 
DDLand

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Tahu said:
It's the lack of a multimedia franchise that makes these original attractions seem expendable.

While some people see SEA's ever-expanding influence in new projects or updates to classics as an obnoxious intrusion bordering on fanfiction, I see Imagineers scrambling to put all this stuff together in some rebel alliance against the IP-ire. Like in putting these pieces together into a larger whole and I guess throwing Indy in there because reasons, that suddenly they might start looking like something that execs register as being an IP. If the Jungle Cruise movie actually pokes into some of that more recent backstory stuff added to the attraction, it has potential to really make a difference.
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That's actually pretty ironic!

If they turn SEA into a franchise then it's no better than a movie franchise. It may be a Disney Parks original, but so is PotC. The constraints of a convoluted world, entrenched characters, and certain story expectations.

SEA jumped the shark with the otherwise excellent Mystic Manor, and it's only getting more disastrous.

The animated/personified Albert the Monkey exists in the same universe/society as the hyper realistic Harrison Hightower.

That's what SEA will get you! :rolleyes:

Kind of like one step forward two steps back...
 
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FigmentJedi

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DDLand said:
That's actually pretty ironic!

If they turn SEA into a franchise then it's no better than a movie franchise. It may be a Disney Parks original, but so is PotC. The constraints of a convoluted world, entrenched characters, and certain story expectations.

SEA jumped the shark with the otherwise excellent Mystic Manor, and it's only getting more more disastrous.

The animated/personified Albert the Monkey exists in the same universe/society as the hyper realistic Harrison Hightower.

That's what SEA will get you! :rolleyes:

Kind of like one step forward two steps back...
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I kind of think of it a little like Star Wars: Live action and animated stories are equally valid ways of exploring that universe even though aesthetics are significantly different between said projects and with further projects since then, we've seen them playing around with the two styles with Miss Adventure Falls falling into the animation camp and the more subdued look being utilized in the portraits of the off-screen characters they've been retconning in at WDW.

Mystic Manor's only really glaring contradiction is that ribbon cutting photo where Henry and Albert are just standing amongst a bunch of normal looking people. They really should have just kept the illustration thing going that they had in the rest of the queue gallery. But other then that, it's pretty internally consistent.
 
PizzaPlanet

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If the birds do leave (hopefully they don't), I am confident that they would return at some point in the future. Don't forget that they recovered from an alteration before. Nostalgia is a powerful thing, and unlike Horizons and Journey into Imagination, this one would be easy to bring back, assuming there are no major alterations to the building.
 
po1998

po1998

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I'm sick of hearing about attractions that don't appeal to teens and 20 somethings. DIsney parks were always about attractions that families can enjoy together. If you don't like them, head to the nearest Six Flags instead. I don't care how few people go in them...leave CBJ, TR, CoP alone. Maybe if TDO invested some money in them while leaving the classic theme to them alone, attendance would be better. In the meantime, I will visit each of them every trip I take.
 
JustInTime

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WDW1974 said:
It's possible. I have raised that question with a few folks. ... Bars and upscale attraction and character based dining initiatives are very in (wait for Star Wars). Very average locations like Jock Lindsey's are doing very well by selling 'specialty' mugs and weak drinks to OCD fans.

Besides, there is another high end dining experience coming to the MK that fanbois will be dying to get in.:D;):cool:
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You've gotten my attention. Any hints to the restaurant theme? ;)
 
jt04

jt04

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Yert3 said:
I wish there was official list of attractions that deem them untouchable. Tiki Room should be on list. Some things are just too good and/or historical to get rid of.
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This can only seriously be said of the Disneyland version. The CoP could also be of the same status if re-relocated back to Disneyland.

Sorry, but all this feigned outrage for the WDW version of Tiki is just not backed up by numbers or crowd reaction. Very few in overall numbers would even miss it. I'd bet fewer than 10% of guests to WDW even bother with it.
 

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