News Buzzy’s been stolen?

[MisterPenguin]

My answer: idiots.

The shadowy world of Orlando's theme park urban explorers: Are they legends or are they idiots?

https://m.orlandoweekly.com/orlando...gends-or-are-they-idiots/Content?oid=23422045

The ethical prevarications continue...

Regarding the #FindBuzzy fervor, Sonswa says, "I'm sure it's very frustrating for Disney fans that the company was not able to secure the animatronic into the Walt Disney archives sooner. I'm just glad I was able to document and share the attraction when I did. It really highlights the fact that urban explorers like myself only strive to preserve history.

The case being made here is that one is preserving history, and that is an excuse for trespassing. Wrong. Trespassing is trespassing regardless of intent. Besides, there are plenty, like @marni1971 who document the history without trespassing. Also, filming an unused prop sitting backstage isn't really preserving history, now, is it? What's being preserved... it's location? ​

Sonswa continues: Sadly, when it comes to 'Disney's Magic,' too much curiosity will always get the best of you."

This is the argument of: Don't blame me, blame "Disney's Magic" which can overwhelm a person's curiosity. You see... it wasn't *me*, it was the fault of Disney's Magic and curiosity. Put Disney's Magic and curiosity in jail, not me... I'm blameless!!​

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Well, tell you what, Sonswa, while we're hunting down Disney's Magic and your curiosity to charge them with a crime, we'll prosecute you, too. We'll do our best to put them in the same jail cell when we find them!​

And now, Hoot's lapses in ethics...

"urban exploring and blatant theft are two different things. Explorers usually respect the places they go and don't disturb the place or steal million-dollar figures."

This is the argument that since there are worse crimes, then you should ignore my lesser crime. No, we can prosecute both!! We can go after both thieves *and* trespassers!!​

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And after saying just how much worse theft is than mere trespassing, he then, incredulously, goes on to defend thieves...

However, Ensign also says that "the theft of attraction props [has] been going on since the first shovel of WDW dirt in 1969," and that "the real problem Disney faces these days isn't the kids stealing props. It's the very wealthy who are collecting this stuff and paying huge amounts of money for anything these kids can steal."

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See, it's not the fault of the kids who steal, it's the fault of people who buy stolen merch!! Again, we, as a society, are perfectly capable of prosecuting both crimes.​

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Nice little article by Seth there.



My tone is due to the fact that you appear to be the initial source for this story, based on info you said you heard from Backdoor Disney, but while none of the information that has come out since then has backed up your initial version of events, you're insulting people who wonder where's the proof that the full Buzzy AA was stolen.

And in this case, you're suggesting Ensign may not be telling the truth "from what I've heard," and I don't see where you can pretend you're a credible source on anything. Dave is known to at least some in the industry and gave his information under a real name.

You're coming off like a wannabe insider with no real sources who won't admit that you spread a bogus story.

From what i've heard, this was info spread down a chain to him. It's a game of telephone just like how I got my information. I didn't wanna come and call him out, because he is a cool person, but I suppose I can't take a step in this thread without someone criticizing me. I don't believe I've insulted anybody thus far, however any time I ask for proof on the other side, they resort to ignoring the question and flipping it on me. At this point I don't really care whether people view me as credible or not, because obviously unless some proof arises by stroke of luck, i'll continue to be attacked.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Don't forget Marni spreading the same story Hoot did!

Don't forget Marni never giving anyone a straight answer as to whether it was stolen or taken internally

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Why not both?

Naw. I'll stick with idiots.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

The same thread that's attacking urban explorers is also supporting one that just so happened to be putting out groundless info on this case. The whole thread here is so pointless anymore that it's not even funny. Maybe about 2% has been actually about Buzzy, and the rest has been argument after argument after argument.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Don't forget Marni never giving anyone a straight answer as to whether it was stolen or taken internally

We're not going there again, are we?!

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

We're not going there again, are we?!

Again?

 

[flynnibus]

The same thread that's attacking urban explorers is also supporting one that just so happened to be putting out groundless info on this case.

Groundless how? Info from unnamed sources is the samething no matter who does it. The difference is someone’s credibility and how well vetted the info is.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Info from unnamed sources is the samething no matter who does it.

Fiddle dee dee

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Can we call this one yet?

 

[Ripken10]

From what i've heard, this was info spread down a chain to him. It's a game of telephone just like how I got my information. I didn't wanna come and call him out, because he is a cool person, but I suppose I can't take a step in this thread without someone criticizing me. I don't believe I've insulted anybody thus far, however any time I ask for proof on the other side, they resort to ignoring the question and flipping it on me. At this point I don't really care whether people view me as credible or not, because obviously unless some proof arises by stroke of luck, i'll continue to be attacked.

Some have responded to your question of facts that he was not stolen, and you have ignored those. Literally the only facts that have been presented do not show of a theft. Was there a theft, maybe, but it seems extremely unlikely at this point since you are the only "proof" that exists, and you don't want to believe any other facts presented.

 

[NormC]

Don't forget Marni never giving anyone a straight answer as to whether it was stolen or taken internally

He gave a straight answer. Some just choose not to accept it because it wasn't detailed enough. Suffice it to say it was an unauthorized removal not a theft. This whole thread grew out of unsubstantiated twitter posts.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Some have responded to your question of facts that he was not stolen, and you have ignored those. Literally the only facts that have been presented do not show of a theft. Was there a theft, maybe, but it seems extremely unlikely at this point since you are the only "proof" that exists, and you don't want to believe any other facts presented.

Okay. Present to me the facts that he was not stolen. I'm all ears.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

He gave a straight answer

No he didn't

 

[NormC]

No he didn't

Yes he did, no he didn't.....................Are you 12? He gave a straight answer with the information he felt comfortable giving. It was not misleading.

 

[Ripken10]

Okay. Present to me the facts that he was not stolen. I'm all ears.

Maybe you have a half a dozen people on ignore that keep presenting you facts. Maybe you should stop ignoring them. Pointless for me to re post what they said. You will just ignore again.

 

[NormC]

Okay. Present to me the facts that he was not stolen. I'm all ears.

Again with the circles. Where are your facts that he was? Still no police report, redacted or otherwise. I think you are just trolling now,

 

[flynnibus]

Again with the circles. Where are your facts that he was? Still no police report, redacted or otherwise. I think you are just trolling now,

he’s Certainly earning promotion to ignore lists...

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Maybe you have a half a dozen people on ignore that keep presenting you facts. Maybe you should stop ignoring them. Pointless for me to re post what they said. You will just ignore again.

(Code for I don't have any)

Again with the circles. Where are your facts that he was? Still no police report, redacted or otherwise. I think you are just trolling now,

Nice way to deflect the question again

 

[NormC]

I am not deflecting anything. Lots of us have been asking for your proof for pages and pages. You still haven't provided anything useful. All you do is question everyone else's information. You are the one deflecting. Is it deflecting if we question your lack of information? We are still waiting for your proof he was stolen. Do you have a picture of him sitting next to you in your Mom's basement?