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[marni1971]

- because urbex isn't actually "bad"..

trespass
/ˈtrɛspəs/
verb
gerund or present participle: trespassing

1. 1.
   enter someone's land or property without permission

 

[s8film40]

We might... The courts don't.

Really I don't think the courts do much at all. I mean these guys are going out and posting evidence on the internet and they don't seem to be getting prosecuted. Some minor shaming on these forums and a few others seems to be about the extent of the punishment.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Really I don't think the courts do much at all. I mean these guys are going out and posting evidence on the internet and they don't seem to be getting prosecuted. Some minor shaming on these forums and a few others seems to be about the extent of the punishment.

True, but the case of Woo was pretty minor (interestingly, Uni didn't forget about him). Sonswa is another story, and he was both arrested and charged the second time. He got off easy, certainly - but that was because of silly/inappropriate charges (felony burglary? LOL).

 

[gustaftp]

trespass
/ˈtrɛspəs/
verb
gerund or present participle: trespassing

1. 1.
   enter someone's land or property without permission

I don't really care about what absentee and out-of-state property owners (usually REITs and banks) think of me entering structures they themselves haven't invested in and have let rot for decades.

If it's "bad" for me to enter without permission, isn't it worse to inflict blight on an entire community without permission?

 

[gustaftp]

FTFY.

Urban exploring is just a term people use to distance themselves from what it actually is. Honestly, come on. This is coming from someone who has done this before too. Call a spade a spade and stop trying to portray Ubexers as doing the general public a favor with what they do. They do it for the adrenaline rush most of the time because they know they aren't supposed to be there and out of their own personal curiosity, not to uncover new information for the general public.

You fixed nothing.

If a judge in a court of law can recognize nuance and dismissed my case based on that nuance and the fact that I am a contributing member of the community- then why can't so many of you?

 

[marni1971]

I don't really care about what absentee and out-of-state property owners (usually REITs and banks) think of me entering structures they themselves haven't invested in and have let rot for decades.

If it's "bad" for me to enter without permission, isn't it worse to inflict blight on an entire community without permission?

Trespassing is still trespassing. Social / environmental issues are outside this discussion.

 

[gustaftp]

Trespassing is still trespassing. Social / environmental issues are outside this discussion.

And trespassing isn't necessarily "bad" no matter how you try to paint it as such. In fact, I daresay that a certain amount of civil disobedience is actually good to affect change -- or in the case of Hoot and Chief, to see hidden details we wouldn't have known about otherwise.

Nuance and context matter.

 

[marni1971]

And trespassing isn't necessarily "bad" no matter how you try to paint it as such. In fact, I daresay that a certain amount of civil disobedience is actually good to affect change -- or in the case of Hoot and Chief, to see hidden details we wouldn't have know about otherwise.

Nuance and context matter.

I weep for the future. To quote a phrase.

 

[gustaftp]

I weep for the future. To quote a phrase.

I weep for people who are so rigid and dishonest that they refuse to recognize nuance or a person's motivations.

 

[marni1971]

I weep for people who are so rigid and dishonest that they refuse to recognize nuance or a person's motivations.

Look! Everyone is marching out of time except our Johnny!

 

[gustaftp]

Look! Everyone is marching out of time except our Johnny!

Look! That guy is going 1 MPH over the limit! SEIZE HIM

 

[marni1971]

Look! That guy is going 1 MPH over the limit! SEIZE HIM

You're only digging a bigger hole.

 

[LukeS7]

If a judge in a court of law can recognize nuance and dismissed my case based on that nuance and the fact that I am a contributing member of the community- then why can't so many of you?

To quote you:

Your virtue signaling and moral posturing over something that doesn't affect you makes me laugh.

You seem to view yourself as the Robin Hood of Urbexing (Trespassing).

 

[gustaftp]

To quote you:

You seem to view yourself as the Robin Hood of Urbexing (Trespassing).

I just consider myself to be injecting some accuracy into the ridiculous and breathless posturing of so many here.

I am into historical documentation and photography. AGAIN - if a judge in a court of law can recognize my motivations and dismiss a case based on that fact, then why is it so difficult for some of you to recognize nuance and motivation?

You're only digging a bigger hole.

In your country, "trespassing" is considered a civil offense and a minor infraction, similar to speeding. It's really not that big of a deal. Perhaps it is you digging the hole. I am just the one exploring it.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

And trespassing isn't necessarily "bad"

To quote Shark Tank, “for that reason, I’m out”.

Can’t have a worthwhile conversation with someone who believes this.

 

[gustaftp]

To quote Shark Tank, “for that reason, I’m out”.

Can’t have a worthwhile conversation with someone who believes this.

Since the world isn't "black and white" I apparently can't have a worthwhile conversation with someone who refuses to look at a person's motivations.

 

[LukeS7]

I just consider myself to be injecting some accuracy into the ridiculous and breathless posturing of so many here.

But you're not, you're injecting your opinion. Accuracy is calling "urban exploring" "trespassing".

I am into historical documentation and photography. AGAIN - if a judge in a court of law can recognize my motivations and dismiss a case based on that fact, then why is it so difficult for some of you to recognize nuance and motivation?

I'm into photography as well. If I get caught trespassing, I'll admit to it, there's the difference. I can explain why I'm there, but I'm not going to pretend that I wasn't trespassing. In your case, the judge let you off (probably due to no history of it). That's you getting off easy.

In your country, "trespassing" is considered a civil offense and a minor infraction, similar to speeding. It's really not that big of a deal.

We're not talking about the UK, so this is irrelevant

Perhaps it is you digging the hole. I am just the one exploring it.

At the risk of having my comment moderated (and to attempt to inject some humor into this), my first thought after reading this part was:
"Ew, get out of Marni's hole"

 

[marni1971]

It's really not that big of a deal.

I’ll get me popcorn.

 

[Surfin' Tuna]

Socialism and Marxism were motivated by great objectives; I think judging something based solely on motivation is a rather slippery slope. Post modernism is the real culprit here, "Words mean what I want, morals are what I feel at that moment, and you are wrong if you disagree."

 

[LukeS7]

Urban exploration is not always about breaking into and exploring active facilities that are off limits. My god, some of you are so incredibly dense and also need to get off your high horses.

Fun fact, as already stated several times, the definition of trespassing isn't "entering an active facility that is off limits", it's entering someone else's property or land without permission. Or does the definition need to be posted yet again?