This was the scene in Frontierland yesterday afternoon (excuse the mobile quality):
You literally could not walk through Adventureland. :dazzle:
You literally could not walk through Adventureland. :dazzle:
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Busy day in the MK today, additional Spectro added tonight at 10pm
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PixieTinkerbell
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This was the scene in Frontierland yesterday afternoon (excuse the mobile quality):
You literally could not walk through Adventureland. :dazzle:
This is the stuff of my nightmares!
MousDad
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Stop putting words in people's mouths. Nobody here or anywhere predicted that there would be rolling park closures. You know the story. Stop making up hog slop.
MousDad
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What's the incentive, if the parks are full even when the competition is outdoing you (expansion-wise)?
jakeman
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http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=373457&highlight=rolling+park+closuresMousdad said:
I understand your point, but it has been suggested and to say that it wasn't is semantics.
MousDad
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That's probably the closest thing you'll find to a prediction (even though it was not, it was a question whether it seemed more likely). And it came from me, who nobobdy cares about. Not Yee or 74, who were the obvious targets.
I disagree with your second comment completely. Saying someone predicted it and saying it is a contingency are completely different things.
jakeman
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I was referring to your post more than the other, though, but I understand your point.
It is somewhere between jt04 and Yee, I'm sure.
They may be doing better than they thought, but I think that the long term still has a degree of uncertainty that Disney is not willing to bet on.
It is somewhere between jt04 and Yee, I'm sure.
They may be doing better than they thought, but I think that the long term still has a degree of uncertainty that Disney is not willing to bet on.
TowerOfTerror
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There are now two shows of SpectroMagic at 10 on Saturday. :wave:
From between Super Bowl weekend and Presidents Day weekend Orlando experienced some of its lowest park attendance EVER (relative to having seven theme parks at least). Since then not so much. Combine the one-two punch of Daytona 500 and Presidents Day weekend and you have a very healthy holiday event season. A lot of New England schools are on winter break this week as well. Everyone is seeing business tick up a bit right now.
Spring Break should be sufficiently busy. The past couple of years day to day park numbers have been higher than the summer season even though Spring Break doesn't last for nearly as long.
After Spring Break there a lot of questions that need answering. If trends hold May is going to be one hell of a time to visit Orlando if you don't want to bump into any people in the parks...
Spring Break should be sufficiently busy. The past couple of years day to day park numbers have been higher than the summer season even though Spring Break doesn't last for nearly as long.
After Spring Break there a lot of questions that need answering. If trends hold May is going to be one hell of a time to visit Orlando if you don't want to bump into any people in the parks...
Orange Bird
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WDW, Disneyland and WDI started 2 weeks of major lay-offs today. In the coming weeks hundreds of people will lose their jobs. I think the "doom and gloomers," as they are being called, may have gotten it right.
The parks are busy because discount packages are being offered. Since discount packages are being offered, guest spending is way down. Corporate Disney has decided to choose lower guest spening over lower attendance, because it might soften the blow--profit wise, and because it looks better to have a busy park. Make no mistake about it, Disney is hurting financially even if the parks have guests in them.
If those guests are speing 10% less (for example) than the guests who came this time last year, Disney is making 10% less revenue. Considering all of the fixed costs associated with running WDW, 10% less revenue translates to significantly lower profit.
Disney is in bad shape. Today, many long-time salaried Cast Members were escorted from their desks by security after being told they were laid off. Gloom and Doom is right.
MissM
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I was at MK Wednesday (just got home a few hours ago) to celebrate Love's birthday. I was really surprised at how crowded it was for a Wednesday afternoon. We left just before the 9pm Wishes showing (Love's gotta go to work in the morning) so we avoided the heavy exit crowds. But it was busy. And we went to World of Disney in Downtown Disney to pick up a monorail with Love's Bday Fun Card (the only place that had them in stock) and the store was PACKED with people.
It just seems like it's been solid crowds every time we've been the last few months. Busy in early December, busy in mid December, busy in January when we normally expect it to be slow and busy the 8th and the 18th of February. It's just...weird.
It just seems like it's been solid crowds every time we've been the last few months. Busy in early December, busy in mid December, busy in January when we normally expect it to be slow and busy the 8th and the 18th of February. It's just...weird.
Busy day in the MK today, additional Spectro added tonight at 10pm Reply to Thread
Undortunately the news from Walt Disney Managemnet is not very optimistic - see attached link
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h1M8qgNajUFXD7IVb3KlyDvb9BjgD96EARO00
Undortunately the news from Walt Disney Managemnet is not very optimistic - see attached link
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h1M8qgNajUFXD7IVb3KlyDvb9BjgD96EARO00
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Cant beat a bit of economic downturn to cut the wage bill and drive contracts downward.
Shrewd management or a chance to be cheap under the camouflage of the economy. take your pick.
Shrewd management or a chance to be cheap under the camouflage of the economy. take your pick.
Gucci65
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What schools in the US are closed during "presidents week"? In Georgia, my child was not even off for the day!!
I'm going during to WDW this year during Spring Break (and have never been before) and expect it to be crowded beyond belief. I'm not worried, would rather be at a busy park than back in the world behind my desk!!
Uncle Lupe
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You literally could not walk through Adventureland. :dazzle:
All these peolpe are just waiting in different lines for rides. :lol:
I disagree with your logic, it goes against human nature.
"Look, I can go for 7 nights for the same price as 4 nights, lets do it!" - thereby adding 3 days worth of meals and other purchases that wouldn't normally be there
"Wow, with this Buy 4 Get 3 Free Deal, for the same amount of money that I was spending for 7 nights at a value resort, I can now upgrade to a moderate resort" - guest is spending the same amount of money and getting more value, are now exposed to a higher level of resort, and may return there in the future instead of a value....
"Hey, look, we saved $300 with that 7 for 4 deal, lets splurge and treat ourselves to a character breakfast or two."
It is the rare individual or family that pockets the money they save from a discount package.
-Joe
PhilharMagician
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Presisdents week is not a good week to apply the fact that Disney's attendance is up and doing well. This is one of the busiest weeks of the year just like Easter, July 4th, Thanksgiving and Christmas. These times are always busy during good eceonomy or bad. It is during the intermediate times where just 5% decline (which is hardly noticeable by a guest) adds up to a reduction in profits. When overhead remains the same and income is reduced that 5% then cuts will have to be made.
Below was cut from the google article:
Parks and resorts revenue fell 4 percent during the period to $2.67 billion as attendance at the company's U.S. theme parks and hotel occupancy at its domestic resorts declined. The company said it saw a 5 percent dip in quarterly attendance at its U.S. Walt Disney World and Disneyland parks.
Last year WDW saw 46,990,000 guests through the turnstiles at its 4 major parks. If you take away that 5% that is a loss of 2,349,500 guests. That is pretty substantial and this may only be the begining. Take this with advanced booking way down and we may have not even scratched the surface. WDC's domestic parks could well see a 15% decline in 09' attendance. Lets hope not.
Below was cut from the google article:
Parks and resorts revenue fell 4 percent during the period to $2.67 billion as attendance at the company's U.S. theme parks and hotel occupancy at its domestic resorts declined. The company said it saw a 5 percent dip in quarterly attendance at its U.S. Walt Disney World and Disneyland parks.
Last year WDW saw 46,990,000 guests through the turnstiles at its 4 major parks. If you take away that 5% that is a loss of 2,349,500 guests. That is pretty substantial and this may only be the begining. Take this with advanced booking way down and we may have not even scratched the surface. WDC's domestic parks could well see a 15% decline in 09' attendance. Lets hope not.