well you could make the argument that RSR , Mystic Manor, and Grizzly Gulch are high quality attractions with incredible themeing..but of course they are 0 for 7 years on that level of attractions at the world...as my old baseball coach would say "you re due"
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Bruce Vaughn @ D23 on Universal Creative, Original rides, etc.
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Because it has deep rooted, political issues of its own making that has adverse impacts on the parks.
afar28
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Oh yeah how silly of me
EpcoTim
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The Negativity of WDI?
-Not living up to previously set standards, among other things. See Marni above.
Is NFL perfect?
-Little Mermaid is a joke, see above.
Nobody here has ridden the Seven Dwarfs mine train or seen Avatar first hand.
-Obviously you have as you later go on to say "Carsland proved to be a great addition to DCA just as Avatar and DHS expansions will be" Please fill us in on Avatarland and how, exactly, it will be great for AK. Also I'd like to see the DHS expansion plans if you don't mind.
honestly WWHP is really just visual. It is highly themed and stunning. FJ is a technologically advanced ride, yes
-Thats a horrible, horrible trait for a Themed attraction to have, I agree.
But WDI is still superior on what they focus on the most, story.
-The avatar story was already written for them. Also, look at Little Mermaid, WDI got the que right, messed up the story. But the que was highly themed, but thats only a negative for Universal, right?
We can all complain but pretty much everyone here is still going to visit WDW to see the mine train and Avatar as well as the rumored DHS expansions, ect
-Visiting something doesn't automatically mean you have to force yourself to enjoy it.
Yes, it takes time but I don't mind the wait for a visually stunning and immersive environment.
-Harry Potter, which you dogged for being highly themed and immersive took way less time and cost way less then NFL.
Right now, they are laying out the ground work for the future of Disney Parks.
-Thats whats scaring people not blinded by the dust.
can we all just enjoy both Resorts?
-Thats what most people do, doesn't mean we have to ignorantly accept the shortcomings of our favorite based on what they used to be, nor does it mean we have to cutdown the competition blindly and on every chance we get.
wedenterprises
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I'm just saying Disney has overall variety. Disney has variety with IP and non-IP and variety with ride systems. I know what you're saying but that's not what I meant. Look at Epcot. 2 Omnimovers, whatever universe of energy is, cetrifuge, innovative soarin ride, innovative track vehicle (test track).
wedenterprises
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well it depends on your definition of impressive, but Mission:Space had never been done before. Personally it's one of my favourite attractions even though I can only do it once a day.
SJN1279
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Once Disney eliminated its preshows for attractions, their storytelling suffered. The storylines for Everest and Star Tours 2.0 are very lackluster in my eyes(especially Everest). Star Tours 2 needs a better preshow to truly set the mood for the attraction. On the other hand, Universal's Simpsons ride is a simulator with a complete storyline.
lazyboy97o
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Islands of Adventure only has three attractions utilizing the exact same system, the two halves of Dragon Challenge, the two towers of Doctor Doom's Fear Fall, and more mobius than two High in the Sky Seuss Trolley Train Ride. At Universal Studios Florida it does look like the Gringotts ride will be similar to Revenge of the Mummy, but that is it. It is only when you go to the Resort wide level do you find the same Oceaneering ride system in use at the Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man and Transformers: The Ride-3D. And Universal is aware of this as they never intended the two to exist so close, but circumstances created an opportunity on which they seized.
Tom Morrow
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See "myth of story." The idea that attractions NEED to have an elaborate backstory and pre-show drilled into you is something that came out of the Eisner era.
Also, Star Tours 2 has a pre-show (though you don't always see all of it if its a walk-on) that explains basically all you need to know.
Fairybuzz
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A: possible a redo of imagination (as I said in that thread about figment and the other two) to be similar yet not the same as the original. (coupling this with the figment isn't going anywhere comment and a little bit of wishful thinking that they may start doing things that actually make sense).
B: They can say all they want but we all only know vague circles around these upcoming projects like star wars avatar etc.
C: Doesn't Uni still have marvel rides? (albeit their theming is lackluster. Painting a coaster green a hulk does not make).
D: Disney never resurrected an old ride ever definitely not in adventureland or epcot. And what's wrong with bringing back stuff that worked anyway? I'd rather them do that then dance around it by straining themselves to squeeze out a new ride trying way too hard to make it cool.
E: I wish these guys read these forums...
BryceM
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Islands of Adventure has a KUKA arm attraction, two B&M inverted coasters, the Spider-Man ride system, S&S free fall attraction, a B&M sit down coaster, a classic dark ride, a walk through, a river raft ride, a log flume, etc. Two attractions on Universal Orlando property use the Spider-Man ride system (one being Spider-Man), and only one uses the KUKA arm ride system. Interestingly enough, both Cat in the Hat at Islands of Adventure and Men in Black at Universal Studios use the same ride system!
luv
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It is sad that when asked about Uni, Disney does not rely on what they have, only what they could do.
It is sadder that when talking about things they could do, the best things they can come up with are Avatar (lame), Marvel (been done at Uni, please no more) and Star Wars.
If they're going to combat what Uni has with stuff that doesn't exist, make it better stuff!
It is sadder that when talking about things they could do, the best things they can come up with are Avatar (lame), Marvel (been done at Uni, please no more) and Star Wars.
If they're going to combat what Uni has with stuff that doesn't exist, make it better stuff!
BryceM
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Yes, there is an entire Marvel themed land in Islands of Adventure.
erwinalber4
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"Obviously you have as you later go on to say "Carsland proved to be a great addition to DCA just as Avatar and DHS expansions will be" Please fill us in on Avatarland and how, exactly, it will be great for AK. Also I'd like to see the DHS expansion plans if you don't mind.
- My statement regarding Avatar is based on my trust in WDI to do something amazing. Again, I doubt they are going to let WDW fall behind UNI. I used Carsland as a recent example because it shows that WDI can still create a highly themed land.
"Thats a horrible, horrible trait for a Themed attraction to have, I agree."
- I never said that was horrible on the contrary I said UC is doing extraordinary things. The only thing missing is a story that flows nicely. FJ currently leaves me wondering what just happened.
"The avatar story was already written for them. Also, look at Little Mermaid, WDI got the que right, messed up the story. But the que was highly themed, but thats only a negative for Universal, right?"
- And Harry Potter/ Transformers wasn't? WDI will most likely create a new story using Avatar characters and environments. Of course this can't be confirmed but with a movie that came out years ago and sequels expected to follow I just don't see them making a ride-thru movie.
"Harry Potter, which you dogged for being highly themed and immersive took way less time and cost way less then NFL."
-I already know we don't agree on this, but I like NFL better when it comes to theme. HP is still great but the overall look and feel of NFL flows better. Again, not saying HP is bad. UNI also re-used a lot of infrastructure including The flying Unicorn, Dueling Dragons, and The Enchanted Oak building (new facade). They added one attraction, FJ. There was also investment in the re-theme into Hogsmede. WDI demolished MTTF and reused one Dumbo, and the WDW Railroad (new station). They added TLM, extra Dumbo, SDMT, BOG, Storytime with Belle, Gaston's Tavern, and invested on new themeing as well. WDI also did much more work than UNI which explains why it took longer and cost more. On a side note, OFL will probably be slowly re-themed into NFL over the coming years as it sticks out like a sore thumb atm.
"Visiting something doesn't automatically mean you have to force yourself to enjoy it."
-If you have to force yourself to enjoy it, why go?
"Thats what most people do, doesn't mean we have to ignorantly accept the shortcomings of our favorite based on what they used to be, nor does it mean we have to cutdown the competition blindly and on every chance we get."
- I am in no way accepting any shortcomings. WDW has issues to be worked out, definitely. See Wonders of Life and Imagination, to name a few. UNI and WDW are both great in their own ways. UNI is excellent at producing exceptional themes and amazing cutting edge attractions. WDW is the best when it comes to story-telling and complete immersive experiences.
Fairybuzz
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They coulda at least done something with tron that movie at least was a big actiony movie thingie (Idk what to call it so shush!!!)
Why can't they just go back to creating entirely unique things like thunder mt space mt original imagination etc. Stick more actiony movie stuff like tron in DHS as well as pixar, stick interactive and innovative expiriences in Epcot (dumping the tie ins), Classic fairytale/cartoon/things that fit the themed lands in MK and jungle/animal stuff in AK like would make sense. The thing that disney has that universal didn't is that their parks have different themes while IOA is really just another universal park next to the first that seems like its there just so they had more room. (If there is a distinction between themes of those parks I don't see it. Just different movies and less studio stuff in IOA)
luv
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Harry Potter doesn't leave me wondering what happened. It's a fantastic ride, IMO.
Uni usually does a great job of making rides I love without knowing anything about the subject matter.
Transformers and Star Tours both leave me going, "Huh?", though.
BryceM
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Actually, IOA can be considered literature based. Comic books, children's books, Harry Potter series, Jurassic Park series, mythology, and comic strips. Of course, two of the lands (Harry Potter and Jurassic Park) are based on the movie adaptations. But could you imagine the uproar if Universal didn't do this and took on their own visual adaptation of the books and made a land out of it?! Blasphemy. And the Pharos Lighthouse is designed after the Lighthouse of Alexandria, which I believe also functioned as a library(?). (Someone can correct me if I'm wrong)
And it's funny because only one Universal owned IP (Jurassic Park) is featured in IOA. Then Lost Continent and Port of Entry are original themed lands, and not based on an IP at all. The rest are all licensed from different companies (Marvel, Warner Bros., Jay Ward, Seuss Enterprises).
EDIT: The Lighthouse of Alexandria did not also function as a library, but the Great Library was located in Alexandria.
TalkingHead
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Please tell me this is a joke. Riding through the dark on Dinosaur is more immersive than Spidey?
BryceM
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Those 30 seconds of pure darkness near the middle of DINOSAUR's course was so immersive! I've never felt so immersed in a themed environment before!
I do love DINOSAUR though. It's just honestly a weaker attraction than The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man. The broken effects really don't help it's case.