Kamikaze
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Guide wires.
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Breaking news from WESH this morning Construction accident near Disney
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Guide wires.
geekza
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Actually, "guy" or "guyed" wire is correct in this case.
http://blog.uscargocontrol.com/why-is-it-called-guy-wire/
A guide wire is actually something very different depending on the industry.
Kamikaze
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W T F
Now you can check off "learn something new today" on your to do list.
Goofyernmost
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Probably true, but, that doesn't apply if the scaffolding collapses, they would just fall with it. I just received a news flash on my phone with the headline... WALT DISNEY WORLD, 2 men die in a failed scaffolding near the Walt Disney World Resort. They didn't even bother to mention specifically that it had nothing to do with WDW at all. But, yet, that was the bold part of the headline. Blood thirsty sensationalism continues to run rampant. Will this society never grow up?
Goofyernmost
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I'm not sure why that matters, I'm not disagreeing with him at all. I am merely expanding on what he said. I spent a number of years in the construction business as well and some of it as the Safety coordinator. I'm sure some things have changed since I was in it, but, I doubt that this is much different.
That is where the clear as mud comes in. An arrest system attached to the scaffolding, which very well might meet OSHA's requirements, is next to worthless if the scaffolding collapses. One attached to the building or some other fixed point would. Only time will tell what was and was not there and what went wrong.
HwdStudio
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Very well said! Time to add another most goofy member to the ignore list.
lawdogNOLA
Active Member
This was at the construction of the JW Marriot at Bonnet Creek, a planned 16-story, 516 room hotel. Looking at pictures, this might not be scaffolding that collapsed, but decking upon which concrete was being poured to add a story. Per reports, 4 people were working on the pour, one managed to escape to safety, one hung on and climbed to safety, and 2 fell 6 stories to their deaths.
This accident site is legitimately "near WDW". Bonnet Creek is surrounded on 3 sides by WDW, the 4th side by I-4, and is only accessible from Buena Vista Drive, inside WDW.
I'm not sure what the safety requirements are via harnesses and safety lines for decking versus scaffolding. Sadly, the info will be there for those who are interested, both in the news and the inevitable wrongful death lawsuit(s) that will be filed by the families of the deceased.
This accident site is legitimately "near WDW". Bonnet Creek is surrounded on 3 sides by WDW, the 4th side by I-4, and is only accessible from Buena Vista Drive, inside WDW.
I'm not sure what the safety requirements are via harnesses and safety lines for decking versus scaffolding. Sadly, the info will be there for those who are interested, both in the news and the inevitable wrongful death lawsuit(s) that will be filed by the families of the deceased.
There are a number of different nuances and exceptions, but the short version is if you are 10' off the ground, there needs to be a guard rail of some kind of a fall arrest system.
Do you by chance have a link to the pictures?
EDIT: I found them. Judging by what I am seeing, workers would most likely not be required to be harnessed. Of course I am sure there will be legal arguments claiming that they should be.
There was a similar, but much more catastrophic collapse of a concrete parking garage under construction back in 2007 in Jacksonville Florida.
https://www.osha.gov/doc/engineering/2007_12_06.html
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Kman101
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Yeah...We all know that anything newsworthy that happens between 28-29 degrees north latitude is "near Disney".
but it's so true.
NYwdwfan
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Quite possibly an unrelated question but I was curious: do you know how often scaffolding is inspected after the initial construction? Is it part of daily/weekly/monthly maintenance routines or is it erected then left for the duration of a project?
No idea.
My knowledge of jobsite safety requirements are mainly so I do not violate them on the occasion that I have to be on site. As a former safety coordinator @Goofyernmost would be much better equipped to answer that question.
LukeS7
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Based off of the photos, it looks like part of the support structure for the pour gave way and caused the scaffolding on the outer edge of the building to collapse. Assuming the sloped part in the photos is the collapsed section, that must have been terrifying (well, it would have been no matter what) for the guy who held on since he'd slide down and off the edge if he misstepped.
Nubs70
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If there is a top rail, mid rail, and toe kick, no fall arrest system in needed. If one of the previous 3 items are missing AND are.4ft or higher off ground, fall arrest is required. IIRC, scaffold inspections are required every day prior to commencing work.
Goofyernmost
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It was simple, use whatever was necessary to connect the scaffolding to something solid to prevent sideways movement away from whatever is being built. Sometimes they used fiber strapping like used now to hold down stuff on truck beds, or even a hook and a come-along, other times just 2X4's attached to the building depending on how high the scaffolding goes. The higher the more support required. The bases of those scaffolds are pretty small and can easily be undermined by rain or other construction hazards. All it takes is just a small amount of change in the center of gravity and/or to much weight near the top to have it come tumbling down. In this case we don't know exactly what went wrong. It might even have been a defective support connection system on the scaffolding itself. Heck, even the weight of the scaffolding itself the higher they go. It is only as strong as it's weakest link. Until they tell us, if they tell us, we won't know. Since this is a Disney site and this has nothing to do with Disney except that it is located in the same town, I doubt we will ever really know the details completely. If you notice the pictures used in the construction of the fake mountains or higher buildings they engineer building connected steel posts that become the scaffolds during construction and then they cut them off as they move down the build and like magic they all disappear, but, until then they are a solid part of the structure.
I knew that. I even used it in a legal letter I sent to someone. He complained that the guy wire I used to anchor the end of a wire fence extended onto his property. I replaced that very lightweight, unobtrusive fence with a solid wood one which cut off part of his view of the river. But it had a nice solid wooden fence pole on the end to anchor it, instead of a guy wire. And it wasn't on his property.
