Breaking News...Fifth Gate

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
No, you've been quite earnest every time (and in all of the threads you've either discussed it or started new ones) about your having uncovered these "secrets." Which is why you opened this thread in News & Rumors. But until ground actually breaks on any of them, Imagineering or another forum is where they'll end up....
Let me make this clear. I have no knowledge of any "secret". I posted once as a joke that Comcast "deal". It was also to make a point. Anything else is sincere conjecture on my part and I always make that clear.

For example, no where have I said on this thread that I have word that Disney is building a Fifth Gate. What I said is 100% true. What I said was I found what looks to me as maybe a Fifth Gate. Might be. Or maybe not.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Let me make this clear. I have no knowledge of any "secret". I posted once as a joke that Comcast "deal". It was also to make a point. Anything else is sincere conjecture on my part and I always make that clear.

For example, no where have I said on this thread that I have word that Disney is building a Fifth Gate. What I said is 100% true. What I said was I found what looks to me as maybe a Fifth Gate. Might be. Or maybe not.

No, your desire for that deal has been posted more than once, and you know it....

And just like your incessant monorail threads, no 5th gate is coming any time soon. No matter how many times you start the discussion anew, or claim to have uncovered some undeveloped land or secret footers....
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
No, your desire for that deal has been posted more than once, and you know it....

And just like your incessant monorail threads, no 5th gate is coming any time soon. No matter how many times you start the discussion anew, or claim to have uncovered some undeveloped land or secret footers....
So, I'm obsessive over some issues, but I'm not a lier and certainly not a troll!
I'm actually kind of hurt by some here who feel that way.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
So, I'm obsessive over some issues, but I'm not a lier and certainly not a troll!
I'm actually kind of hurt by some here who feel that way.

I've never called you either. I am however, suggesting that until any of us have concrete facts about any of these topics coming to fruition, keeping them out of News & Rumors may be a good idea.
 

PeterAlt

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I've never called you either. I am however, suggesting that until any of us have concrete facts about any of these topics coming to fruition, keeping them out of News & Rumors may be a good idea.
The news is that I found something that looks suspiciously like a Fifth Gate in satellite imagery. The news is not that Disney is building a Fifth Gate. That will be news if and when they do announce it.

Concerning monorail and Marvel, the underlying theme is Disney needs to do something. Thats 100% my opinion. I have ideas on what they can do, which I occasionally post. I also post any news I find that's remotely related to the two that support this opinion.
 

PeterAlt

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You know, I had second thoughts about sharing this, but I thought "what if I'm on to something? Maybe the community needs to know about it and see if there's anything there!"
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
To let everyone know, I've had a pretty solid track record on what I have reported as news, opinions and predictions since I started in 2003. I will go into the archives later on and pull out some that I was dead on right about. Back then, like now, I was challenged. It turns out I had been right. I don't expect to be right all the time. In fact, this one I even have major reservations about, but I post it for the sake of sharing "just in case"...
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
To let everyone know, I've had a pretty solid track record on what I have reported as news, opinions and predictions since I started in 2003. I will go into the archives later on and pull out some that I was dead on right about. Back then, like now, I was challenged. It turns out I had been right. I don't expect to be right all the time. In fact, this one I even have major reservations about, but I post it for the sake of sharing "just in case"...

Where are the monorail plans you promised to post yesterday?
 

lego606

MagicBandit
You know, I had second thoughts about sharing this, but I thought "what if I'm on to something? Maybe the community needs to know about it and see if there's anything there!"

I think this land is in an area that has been declared feasible for a 5th park (Disney is running out of such land quickly but they still have some room)
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
The news is that I found something that looks suspiciously like a Fifth Gate in satellite imagery. The news is not that Disney is building a Fifth Gate. That will be news if and when they do announce it.

Concerning monorail and Marvel, the underlying theme is Disney needs to do something. Thats 100% my opinion. I have ideas on what they can do, which I occasionally post. I also post any news I find that's remotely related to the two that support this opinion.

But as we have shown that land has looked pretty much like that for over 20 years, so if they were work on something there it has long since been abandon.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Yes, this is true, but that's wishful thinking on our part. In my monorail research, I discovered how "out of land" or "short on land" some of the existing parks are, especially DHS. EPCOT has one free plot in FW (demolishing WoL would make two) and a bunch in WS. MK can create new areas by moving things around but that's expensive. DHS expansion would require the build-out of parking structures (more on this in my monorail proposal I will post later today), rerouting World Drive, or building bridges or tunnels under World Drive - expensive. The cheapest way to add a lot of new stuff is to build on virgin land that already has infrastructure and services. The plot in my post has new roads and infrastructure leading into it. If there were a new gate, this is the best location for it.

Another tactic they could do is "trick" Comcast into thinking they were constructing a fifth gate by setting up a fake construction site that looks like a theme park going into it. Comcast, in turn, cranks up their spending only to be yelled out by their shareholders for spending billions unnecessarily on a defense on presumed competition that is in actuallity non-existent. This would force them to freeze spending indefinately and allow Disney to deliver USO a strategic 1-2 punch based entirely on demand - or even cause pressure for Comcast to get out of the theme park business.

Sorry, that is a ridiculous scenario. Even if something like this were to happen, by the time it was obvious that Disney actually was building a new park Universal would still have more then enough time to react especially since they seem to be willing to build much faster the Disney. I also don't think there is any way Disney could pretend to be building a new part and not have Universal find out. If nothing else a major change like a new park would require plans to be submitted to the South Florida Water Management before work could begin and these plans are public record. Also Disney and Universal use a lot of the same contractors. It would just be to hard to keep something like that a secret these days.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
That's the best explaination other than a Fifth Gate. Can someone overlay a map showing precisely where Flamingo Crossing is supposed to be? I want to make sure this is outside of that project. If it is entirely within that project, then that's what it is.

Based on the Flamingo Crossing plans from here http://flamingocrossings.com/, the red outline is the current part of the project that has been built (it's really just roads at this point), and the yellow outlines are future phases. The best explanation for this area is, "That's just what the land looks like". If you look around the property you will see other areas that appear to have some "form" to them that you could just as easily say are evidence of new construction. But if you look closely at this area, Bing maps bird's eye view has the clearest images, you can see that there is no work going on in that area with the exception of a small cleared area next to the Tram-Bus label which appears around the time when Flamingo Crossings was being build so it's probably related to that construction.

FlamingoCrossing.jpg
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
Y'all do realise those Google satellite images are about a year old?

We see what this area looked like last april. By now, there would've been massive construction activity if WDW really used this site for a 5th gate / secret missile base for North Korea's cunning scheme for global domination.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Guys, lets back off Pete for a bit. We talked and I think I explained to him how this came across completely wrong against the points he was trying to make.

Its how you present the information where he went wrong (Breaking News, 5th Gate) should have been something else under general discussion.

So ease up a bit.... I can see where someone's excitement can get the better of them.
 

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