Bob Iger at WDW now ... BoD to Follow?

[Magenta Panther]

I wonder.. we will see "tiered" points as well? Platinum points for deluxe only, gold for moderates and silver for value? or something like that?

Why do they gotta make things so complicated?

 

[asianway]

This is what I am trying to say. If they don't they risk devaluing the brand and lose money. DVC or DVC wings, will always need to be treated as Deluxe acomidations no matter what resort teir they are built at.

Any new DVC will need to be treated at whatever standard their own condominium documents state.

For example, only OKW has two queens in a studio.

 

[Cesar R M]

Like a one dimensional mat painting?
That's not remotely true.

I think you quoted my post incorrectly, the quote code is broken. I'm not the one who said anything about mat painting.

 

[Cesar R M]

Why do they gotta make things so complicated?

the more confused they are.. the more they can leech money from lol.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I wonder.. we will see "tiered" points as well? Platinum points for deluxe only, gold for moderates and silver for value? or something like that?

That doesn't make any sense. You don't need different kinds of points, just more or less. So yeah, you could buy a week's worth of points at a moderate for cheaper than a week's worth of points at a deluxe, but it's not going to be enough points to actually stay a week at a deluxe.

 

[zakattack99]

Any new DVC will need to be treated at whatever standard their own condominium documents state.

For example, only OKW has two queens in a studio.

Yes, but a room at OKW are still considered deluxe accommodations, just as all DVC rooms are. Any future expansion has to maintain that standard. Each resort is going to have documentation the defines that standard is at each idividual resort. Per your ecample of OKW. It would be a detrament to the brand if they began building DVC that are less then deluxe accommodations is my pont.

 

[BrerJon]

People pay a premium for theming - Art of Animation is way more expensive than All-Stars, pirate rooms are more expensive than regular at CBR... so they can build Death Star Villas or whatever, have them be the same quality and theming as the CBR pirate rooms, and can still charge Deluxe DVC rates - even if they're only Moderate or Value quality. The theme alone will make people think it's a bargain.

 

[asianway]

Yes, but a room at OKW are still considered deluxe accommodations, just as all DVC rooms are. Any future expansion has to maintain that standard. Each resort is going to have documentation the defines that standard is at each idividual resort. Per your ecample of OKW. It would be a detrament to the brand if they began building DVC that are less then deluxe accommodations is my pont.

No, there is no global contractual requirement for all future DVC projects to be Deluxe. If you could provide documentation of that, I'd love to see it. I'll wait...

 

[BrerJon]

No, there is no global contractual requirement for all future DVC projects to be Deluxe. If you could provide documentation of that, I'd love to see it. I'll wait...

What does 'Deluxe' mean anyway? Is it a certain square footage of space? Having a balcony? A certain type of furnishing? Surely it's all subjective anyway, so as long as Disney calls it Deluxe, people will go along with that and assume they are as described.

 

[asianway]

What does 'Deluxe' mean anyway? Is it a certain square footage of space? Having a balcony? A certain type of furnishing? Surely it's all subjective anyway, so as long as Disney calls it Deluxe, people will go along with that and assume they are as described.

Exactly. Was the word even in use yet in 92? Spirit said there's a plan afoot to get rid of that nomenclature and move to MK,Epcot, DS resorts. Then they can jack the rates at the mods and values and covert more "deluxe" to DVC

 

[zakattack99]

I never said there was a contractual agreement. I said that it makes no since to build less than that. You risk devaluing your product. Disney wants the price of DVC to go up not down its also in DVC owners best interest as it would protect their investment. While I would be happy to continue this disscussion, I feel we might be going down a different path than the original topic. Maby our disscussion should have it's own thread?

 

[Cesar R M]

What does 'Deluxe' mean anyway? Is it a certain square footage of space? Having a balcony? A certain type of furnishing? Surely it's all subjective anyway, so as long as Disney calls it Deluxe, people will go along with that and assume they are as described.

Imho.. it seems a combination of things:

a)Great theme, everything of the hotel is heavily detailed.
c) Deluxe style service with actual average to excellent sit down restaurant offers.
d) Deluxe room style with balconies, which means air conditioned hallways and pathways.
e) private amenities for deluxe (laundering, arcades, parking)
f) increased space (including access to 1, 2, 3 room suits)

 

[WDW1974]

So it sounds like everything we've heard has been very park-specific. Any rumblings about the next resort? Obviously we have WL DVC expansion but occupancy has been consistently high for a while to the point where I have to imagine they're considering an entirely new resort. Any chance that's part of the whale of an approved budget? I know there were some rumblings a while back about a second DAK resort.

@PhotoDave219 @marni1971 @WDW1974 @Lee @articos

Nope. No plans for another DVC near there. Or any resorts as of now.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Why do they gotta make things so complicated?

You mean like fastpass+ and getting dining reservations? lol

 

[RSoxNo1]

hold on.. since when Maelstrom is getting a "total makeover"?

also, the majority of these changes are for capacity issues.

Soarin' is always packed.. obviously they need to expand it.
Toy Story? as well.. so they are adding more tracks.

The rest? well see when they finally start building.

as for landscaping.. NFL was actually not so good in that aspect.
The roads and walkways were mostly for efficiency purposes (very wide, limited themeing)

They're adding capacity to two of the four worst capacity problems in the parks (others being Mine Train and Pan) and then they're adding what will be another capacity issue with Frozen Ever After. 2 steps forward, 1 step back.

 

[jt04]

They're adding capacity to two of the four worst capacity problems in the parks (others being Mine Train and Pan) and then they're adding what will be another capacity issue with Frozen Ever After. 2 steps forward, 1 step back.

However Frozen should draw guests away from the MK helping Pan and MT. You are exactly right though it is two forward one back and has been for quite awhile. I would argue though that they have done a great job strategically with fixing the many problems WDW faced and that the strategy continues to unfold.

Record attendence while fixing serious infrastructure problems with minimal impacts to attractions all speak for themselves.

And if you doubt me study the transformation of DTD into DS. It is already a great success with a long way to go. Yes it was slow to happen but they seem to have done a great job. Especially when you consider they had to balance the interests of so many different vendors.

And finally, if some still doubt, observe the transformation of DAK to new and improved DAK. Amazing. I can wait for a Yeti fix for all the good going on.

 

[aladdin2007]

However Frozen should draw guests away from the MK helping Pan and MT. You are exactly right though it is two forward one back and has been for quite awhile. I would argue though that they have done a great job strategically with fixing the many problems WDW faced and that the strategy continues to unfold.

Record attendence while fixing serious infrastructure problems with minimal impacts to attractions all speak for themselves.

And if you doubt me study the transformation of DTD into DS. It is already a great success with a long way to go. Yes it was slow to happen but they seem to have done a great job. Especially when you consider they had to balance the interests of so many different vendors.

And finally, if some still doubt, observe the transformation of DAK to new and improved DAK. Amazing. I can wait for a Yeti fix for all the good going on.

I have to disagree and feel some things are worse than ever.

 

[jt04]

I have to disagree and feel some things are worse than ever.

2 steps forward 1 step back. The challanges were pretty daunting.

Of course, if you want the WDW of pre-globilization or, as some, of their childhood, you and they will only find disappointment.

DAK is the best example of how it can serve the overwhelming number of guests but still retain that which makes Disney parks the best in the world. Universal just isn't there yet.

 

[Mondo Mouse]

I was just down there about a month ago - and my god do they have so much untapped land to work with. That park is absolutely massive. One thing I will say - I love WDW, always have and awlays will. However, after visiting Disneyland for the first time a week ago, I can say that DL and DCA are actual complete theme parks. The rides there all look great, they're kept up to date, and they are fun to ride. I feel like DW is stuck in the 1990's/early 2000's still. Anyone with me on this?

Buzz looks awful, Stitch is awful, Peter Pan (the actual ride not the queue) is very plain, and BTMRR, Pirates, and Space could all use a refurb. I understand the predicament they're in - you cant just close these popular attractions because of how many people spend insane amounts of money to visit year round, but at some point you have to rip the band-aid off and just get this stuff done. Same goes for DHS and EPCOT, both parks are in major need of some new life!

The only areas that can be built up at WDW are the ones shows in red/salmon. Yellow areas are marginally suitable, and green is unsuitable. This is the Reedy Creek Improvement District Comprehensive Plan - 2020 Composite Suitability Ratings.

And yeah, I TOTALLY feel you on Disneyland feeling superior to WDW parks for all the reasons you listed. So glad to see MK improving in the last few years, and I'm stoked for DHS to gets it's major overhaul (that used to be my favorite Florida park in the late 80's and early 90s). I hope that Epcot, especially Future World, gets massive work done someday soon (man it needs it BAD). Don't think it will get it for a long time unfortunately; the alleged $350 million is better than nothing though.

 

[ToTBellHop]

The only areas that can be built up at WDW are the ones shows in red/salmon. Yellow areas are marginally suitable, and green is unsuitable. This is the Reedy Creek Improvement District Comprehensive Plan - 2020 Composite Suitability Ratings.
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And yeah, I TOTALLY feel you on Disneyland feeling superior to WDW parks for all the reasons you listed. So glad to see MK improving in the last few years, and I'm stoked for DHS to gets it's major overhaul (that used to be my favorite Florida park in the late 80's and early 90s). I hope that Epcot, especially Future World, gets massive work done someday soon (man it needs it BAD). Don't think it will get it for a long time unfortunately; the alleged $350 million is better than nothing though.

When you look at this image,my ou see why a parking garage is under consideration for the Studios. It really is land-locked otherwise. Poor choice of placement for the park. Anyone notice the area where the Wilderness Lodge bungalows are going is "unsuitable"?