Bob Chapek's response to Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' bill

[lazyboy97o]

I believe it is addressed. It’s addressed by stating in a straightforward way that it won’t be tolerated. And if they still do it, there is a process for parents to seek resolution.

So again, if the issue is teachers deviating from the curriculum why is this not an across the board revision to dealing with such issues? Why the reject of language that covers more topics?

The process of resolution is aimed at districts, not the rouge teacher. It is also outside the system, lacking in guidelines, can be initiated unilaterally and is entirely without accountability.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Interesting. I was about to say the same thing about those who put forward the "Don't Say Gay" slogan. What a crazy coincidence that the people in opposition to the bill seem to be exclusively focused on gay issues when that is no where mentioned in the bill and only bring up examples that focus on gay issues.

Why would gay people even care about this if it had nothing to do with gay?

What is the purpose of the bill if not to restrict talking about gay people in school?

You'll have to forgive us, we're very used to sideways wording in legislation trying to harm us while pretending otherwise.

SMH. This is the total wrong tact to take.

Building trust isn’t done by screaming, “TRUST ME MORON!!!!”

Or, “you’re dumb enough to be tricked by the far right extremists! Not like me, a very smart liberal! Just agree with me dummy!!!”

This attitude is exactly why a bill like this exists. Don’t be surprised to see similar bills in states where they have a chance of being passed.

So...we'll have to trick people into learning things? Because they're so easily manipulated that if you call them stupid, they do the opposite of what's in the best interest of children? All we need is reverse psychology?

As in all movements, there is a multi-pronged approach (and they often disagree with each others' tactics.) You have the talkers, the demonstrators, the agitators, and everyone else in-between. Some people will cozy up to the opposition and try to have a conversation with them. Others will just bash them. It all serves the same purpose, ultimately.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Anyone see this?

Video shows teacher leading preschoolers in anti-Biden chant

A California private school has apologized to parents after a teacher shared a video of her leading preschool students in a chant denouncing President Joe Biden

abcnews.go.com

For every crazy teacher on the left there’s a crazy teacher on the right, as long as teachers are humans we’ll never get away from “activist” teachers who can’t leave their personal agenda out of the classroom no matter what laws we pass.

I lean right and this is just pathetic and sad. This is why we can’t have nice things.

 

[Nordic4tKnight]

Anyone see this?

For every crazy teacher on the left there’s a crazy teacher on the right, as long as teachers are humans we’ll never get away from “activist” teachers who can’t leave their personal agenda out of the classroom no matter what laws we pass.

I lean right and still find this pathetic and sad.

One thing I will say is that 10-15 years ago we never would have heard of this incident or any others outside of actually living where they took place. One more casualty of the nationalization of local news and the 24 hour news cycle churn.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

One thing I will say is that 10-15 years ago we never would have heard of this incident or any others outside of actually living where they took place. One more casualty of the nationalization of local news and the 24 hour news cycle churn.

True, one of the few positives about local news becoming national news is it’s harder to sweep things under the rug.

99% of teachers do their jobs professionally but the 1% who are bad cause problems and ruin it for the rest.

 

[Disney4Lyfe]

Why the reject of language that covers more topics?

Such as?

 

[Disney4Lyfe]

Others will just bash them. It all serves the same purpose, ultimately.

I could not disagree more.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Such as?

It’s has been posted several times.

 

[The Mom]

Again, many posters are straying into OT politics, insulting other posters, or just making nasty remarks. If you find yourself unable to participate it is most likely due to one of these reasons.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

What is the purpose of the bill if not to restrict talking about gay people in school?

Not to sound too jaded but… Politics, the right got their base fired up, the left got their base fired up. In a few months this will be plastered all over both sides campaign literature.

I don’t think this will change anything in the classroom, the schools already followed a set curriculum, they’ll still follow the same curriculum, it’s just politics.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Unfortunately, this is exactly where our country is right now. Anyone recall the news about the School Board Meetings in Loudoun County, Virginina? All one has to do is go on YouTube and search "loudoun county school board meeting" and you will see how bad it can get!

Parents being shut down and kicked out of School Board Meetings. School Board reporting parents as domestic terrorists to our FBI.

I'm in VA, not in Loudon - but dealing with similar issues. What you are seeing on national media is not an accurate representation. Parents aren't being shut down. I've personally been at school board meetings, and watched the intentional antagonization where political activitists - and they are, as they do not have children in the school and are members of groups funded by political money - are TRYING to get themselves thrown out of meetings so they can make the news. These people are literally yelling over and speaking over actual parents who are there to share their concerns. I felt concerned for my safety. At a school board meeting. Not from the school board, or the security officers present - but from the political activists screaming and making a show for social media.

Our school board members are receiving death threats daily. Loudon's have as well. They've had KKK and Nazi literature delivered to their doorsteps. Those things aren't making national news.

I have spoken multiple times this year, and I watch virtually every meeting. There are small, vocal, hateful factions screaming that they are shutting down parents, but they are not. There are rules of conduct that are made clear at each meeting, before anyone starts to speak. It is only when those rules aren't followed that the school board may interrupt - and I say may, because at the meeting I referenced above where I was concerned for my safety - they did NOT remove the person from the room. They were allowed to take over the auditorium for 20 minutes. Entirely trampling on the rights of the remaining actual parents who were there to speak.

 

[brb1006]

I really feel sorry for Mom right now. I hadn't felt this bad for Mom since the edition of a certain yellow hair dude into The Hall of Presidents a few years back. Those threads were super active!

 

[thomas998]

It is a shame Disney's management hasn't bothered to take a page from Michael Jordan. I remember Jordan took some heat from supporters of a black politician when he refused to endorse him or anyone in the race. His response was that republicans and democrats both buy sneakers so it would be dumb to alienate either side. Disney should have stayed out of the politics from the start. Doesn't matter what the management believes they would be much better off saying nothing, making no concessions to either side and just running their business. I'm sure give the amount of time Disney has stuck its nose into controversial subject that one side or the other would be angry... but that anger would pass much faster if they simply said nothing and did nothing. If they give in to either side now they only alienate themselves from the other side. A very stupid position for Disney to have gotten into.

 

[TP2000]

I know. One of many double standards in society.

I could have went in there to sexually harass men, though.

It is a double standard, but one of those things that is harmless logistically. Women have to go into a stall. Unless a woman lingers inappropriately around the urinals, most men have no problem with a lady in an emergency running into the men's room. When it happens, it's usually worth a few chuckles and good humor in my experience.

I will say, this problem used to be much worse decades ago. When only men were architects and engineers, public facilities often had equally sized restrooms with the same number of plumbing outlets in both the mens and womens restrooms. Around the 1970's women were finally able to establish that they need longer because they are using a stall on every visit instead of a stand-up urinal, and just adding an extra 60 or 90 seconds onto each, um, "transaction", requires at least 50% more capacity in the womens facilities.

Facilities today at restaurants, stadiums, theaters, malls, etc. almost always have increased capacity in the ladies rooms. It's maybe not perfect, but it's dramatically better than it was until a few decades ago. Funny topic though!

 

[TP2000]

Now that about 100 young hipsters in Burbank are back at their cubicles after yesterday's Using A Comp Day Walk Out! thing , and as you can sense the world and media cycle is moving on from this mini-crisis, I must say...

I am still absolutely fascinated how all the other Orlando tourism big players stayed completely out of this! This was framed in the media as only an issue between Disney and the inherently evil Ron DeSantis, King Of The Deplorables. Entirely left out of the conversation was Universal Studios, Sea World, Legoland, plus all the other big players in the Orlando tourism mega-market like Hilton, Marriott, Hertz, Uber, Airbnb, Darden Corporation, etc., etc.

Especially Universal Studios. They've got a nearly identical corporate setup as Disney, with not just a massive Orlando theme park resort presence, but multiple California-based movie divisions (Universal Pictures, Dreamworks, etc.) a giant TV network with NBC, streaming services like Peacock, and distribution channels via Comcast. And yet Universal gets a complete pass here from fans and the national media. That's really fascinating!

Why did only Disney step in it like this? And I hope Bob Chapek has picked up the phone and called Brian Roberts at Comcast and asked him "How the hell did you guys pull that off? If I buy lunch, can you give me some pointers?"

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Chapek didn't see that, and I think it's another sign that he doesn't understand his employees and he doesn't understand Hollywood. I can't remember Iger ever having a PR fiasco last this long on a politicized issue.

This has what has become perhaps the most interesting aspect of the story for me as I do think it reveals something about Chapek. He is really striking me as someone who does not have good instincts and, without trying to be an armchair psychologist, perhaps struggles to relate to other people or at the very least see things from another person's perspective.

The reason I say this is that he keeps seeming to be caught unaware of how what he says and does comes across in ways that seem quite obvious. Eisner and Iger both had plenty of faults, massive egos, and all the rest, but they also strike me as more intuitive in their management style and decision-making process than Chapek. At least Iger also seemed far better at surrounding himself with good advisors. The impression Chapek gives is that of a rational/hard logic person, which can work for some things but can make it hard to relate to other people as humans aren't inherently rational creatures. A lot of what he has been doing makes sense on some level, even the initial stance on this issue. But some fairly minimal reflection would have told him once that first statement was drafted that the stance was not going to be tenable. I also feel a lot of the decisions with the parks make rational sense, but are terrible in terms of the actual experience of visiting the parks in a way that I don't think registers with him.

Not everyone is a natural public speaker, but I keep thinking of the heavily-coached Chapek at D23 still struggling to convey any real enthusiasm for all the things he was announcing. Keep in mind that he wasn't announcing new dishwashing detergents, but theme park attractions!

 

[TP2000]

This has what has become perhaps the most interesting aspect of the story for me as I do think it reveals something about Chapek. He is really striking me as someone who does not have good instincts and, without trying to be an armchair psychologist, perhaps struggles to relate to other people or at the very least see things from another person's perspective.

The reason I say this is that he keeps seeming to be caught unaware of how what he says and does comes across in ways that seem quite obvious. Eisner and Iger both had plenty of faults, massive egos, and all the rest, but they also strike me as more intuitive in their management style and decision-making process than Chapek. At least Iger also seemed far better at surrounding himself with good advisors. The impression Chapek gives is that of a rational/hard logic person, which can work for some things but can make it hard to relate to other people as humans aren't inherently rational creatures. A lot of what he has been doing makes sense on some level, even the initial stance on this issue. But some fairly minimal reflection would have told him once that first statement was drafted that the stance was not going to be tenable.

Brilliant assesment of this man. I agree!

I also feel a lot of the decisions with the parks make rational sense, but are terrible in terms of the actual experience of visiting the parks in a way that I don't think registers with him.

We keep bringing this up over on the Disneyland side, but it's quite clear now that Bob Chapek and an increasing number of more local TDA and TDO senior executives don't have any real experience using the park products they are in charge of.

They have no idea what it's like to be a paying customer at their parks; wrangling a family of four through the daylong App-based, glitchy, impersonal, upcharged, theme park environment at great personal expense. They don't use their own products like their customers, much less pay for them, so they simply don't get it. It's painfully obvious now.

Not everyone is a natural public speaker, but I keep thinking of the heavily-coached Chapek at D23 still struggling to convey any real enthusiasm for all the things he was announcing. Keep in mind that he wasn't announcing new dishwashing detergents, but theme park attractions!

And again back to the painful fact that Bob Chapek is a CEO who doesn't use his own theme park products. He could be selling dishwashing detergent, or dishwashers, or dishes. He doesn't know. He's reading a PowerPoint script. Badly.

 

[Californian Elitist]

This has what has become perhaps the most interesting aspect of the story for me as I do think it reveals something about Chapek. He is really striking me as someone who does not have good instincts and, without trying to be an armchair psychologist, perhaps struggles to relate to other people or at the very least see things from another person's perspective.

The reason I say this is that he keeps seeming to be caught unaware of how what he says and does comes across in ways that seem quite obvious. Eisner and Iger both had plenty of faults, massive egos, and all the rest, but they also strike me as more intuitive in their management style and decision-making process than Chapek. At least Iger also seemed far better at surrounding himself with good advisors. The impression Chapek gives is that of a rational/hard logic person, which can work for some things but can make it hard to relate to other people as humans aren't inherently rational creatures. A lot of what he has been doing makes sense on some level, even the initial stance on this issue. But some fairly minimal reflection would have told him once that first statement was drafted that the stance was not going to be tenable. I also feel a lot of the decisions with the parks make rational sense, but are terrible in terms of the actual experience of visiting the parks in a way that I don't think registers with him.

Not everyone is a natural public speaker, but I keep thinking of the heavily-coached Chapek at D23 still struggling to convey any real enthusiasm for all the things he was announcing. Keep in mind that he wasn't announcing new dishwashing detergents, but theme park attractions!

And this is why he’s got to go.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Eisner and Iger both had plenty of faults, massive egos, and all the rest, but they also strike me as more intuitive in their management style and decision-making process than Chapek. At least Iger also seemed far better at surrounding himself with good advisors.

I just mentioned this in another thread, but at a certain point Chapek's missteps reflect badly on Iger too.

It was Iger who chose him as his successor and presumably prepared him for this job. Handing over the company to an ill prepared and underqualified CEO does not look like good decision making on his part, even on the condition he stay with the company until Dec 2021.

 

[Mmoore29]

At this point, Iger would be a more credible figure to play the Roy equivalent in a new Save Disney campaign than Abigail.

If Chapek is gone by February, without a contract extension, will Kareem Daniel end up out of the company too, that centralizing decision undone?