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Bob Chapek Confirms Disney Will Overhaul Epcot
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You couldn’t be more off base in my opinion...
The danger long term to “magic kingdomizing” all four parks is a huge risk and could fundamentally change how the clientele patronizes the place...and not in a good way.
This kinda statement is EXACTLY like Star Wars last December. Tirades about “a small fanboy insignificant element doesn’t love it now”
And then the last year happened...a flop...shutdown of studio projects...the LFL head quarantined for 6 months...no real direction to point to...and lots of chatter about the state of affairs beyond fanboys. And this is key: softening of sales for what made it what it was in the first place: merch.
Back to Epcot...don’t think it’s inconceivable that a cultural shift may render magic kingdom less attractive someday...they’ve had soft periods before. Well what do you do as a stock conglomerate if you have a bunch of the same? No insulation...and they’ve always had and needed that at junctures.
But I’m a complete crackpot...know nothing, seen nothing, thunk nothing.
Keep defending the shield with the neurons in neutral
And frankly...imagineering isn’t what it was and can’t be trusted with the books...not until better leadership is in place.
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That seems to be reflective of a complete lack of understanding of the state of WDI and the business priorities of TWDC
yensidtlaw1969
Well-Known Member
That was my point - In saying "Epcot Quality" Sirwalterraleigh was clearly denoting a level of standard.
Saying that "Epcot Quality" as a phrase must automatically be defined as the quality of things that happen to be in the park is semantical and dismissive of the actual point - that the latest version of the Imagination ride wasn't worthy of the park around it. He was clearly saying that the ride wasn't up the standards the park upheld prior. No need to pick his words apart.
Rosso11
Well-Known Member
They are still huge just not in the US anymore for some reason. We haven’t hosted one since 84 in New Orleans. Next years is in Beijing. I attended the Milan one in 2015 and it was great! They definitely still exist.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think frozen is a fine franchise...but not to encompass a whole world showcase pavilion. That will be a longterm misread and goes to the pattern we are discussing.
My analysis is that frozen went through a hole punched open by tangled...one of the all time most underrated Disney movies. That has happened before...but that’s a discussion for another day.
mikejs78
Well-Known Member
Agree with you about Tangled. I would also say that Moana is a lot more.popular than it's initial box office indicated.
CinematicFusion
Well-Known Member
Frozen is very popular. Disney knocked it out of the park with that concept.
However moving it in EPCOT wasn’t necessary... especially since you needed another ride concept at DHS to balance the park.
HauntedMansionFLA
Well-Known Member
Maybe if they are homeschooled??
I see what you did there...
mikejs78
Well-Known Member
Next year's sequal will tell if Frozen has staying power and how much. I'm sure it will do well - but will it do as well as the first, or be more in line with other Disney movies like Moana, Wreck it Ralph 2, etc.
Probably not, since most states with which I'm familiar hold homeschoolers more accountable than they do their own school systems.Maybe if they are homeschooled??
capsshield
Active Member
It's been almost 40 years with barely any new additions to the park and still the 1% complain about any changes like a monument has been destroyed. Please get over it. They are not going to remove Frozen or Nemo or Remy or Guardians, and more attractions like them are coming.
Why? Because it's what the people want. Disney is a place designed for families, and a lot of kids got bored in the park and parents spent the day pushing their children through it rather than enjoying themselves. Kid-cot was a lifesaver, it gave the kids a reason to move forward to the next pavilion. Adding IP sells merchandise, but also creates a pull through the park and a desire to go there.
Personally I think the alcohol sales are the reason the park has been so stagnant. They make so much money off the sales that they don't need to do anything but run festivals. I believe if the park never served alcohol we would have had ten more attractions by now. It's a cheaper fix than any amount of creativity they could nickel and dime out of Imagineering, and they will never give up that profit for anything.
Using established IP is cheap creativity, but that doesn't mean the Imagineer's are not creative. Frozen and Remy are fun rides for the family. You can still marvel at the world showcase pavilions and use the IP to spark interest in the countries showcasing them. France will still have stores, drinks, and food and a movie about France and if the visitor loves the attraction that love will spill over to the rest of the pavilion.
I have no problem with Disney using IP as long as it adds to the experience. I do wish they could have kept World in Motion and Horizons, but I'm over it. Time to enjoy the new stuff
Why? Because it's what the people want. Disney is a place designed for families, and a lot of kids got bored in the park and parents spent the day pushing their children through it rather than enjoying themselves. Kid-cot was a lifesaver, it gave the kids a reason to move forward to the next pavilion. Adding IP sells merchandise, but also creates a pull through the park and a desire to go there.
Personally I think the alcohol sales are the reason the park has been so stagnant. They make so much money off the sales that they don't need to do anything but run festivals. I believe if the park never served alcohol we would have had ten more attractions by now. It's a cheaper fix than any amount of creativity they could nickel and dime out of Imagineering, and they will never give up that profit for anything.
Using established IP is cheap creativity, but that doesn't mean the Imagineer's are not creative. Frozen and Remy are fun rides for the family. You can still marvel at the world showcase pavilions and use the IP to spark interest in the countries showcasing them. France will still have stores, drinks, and food and a movie about France and if the visitor loves the attraction that love will spill over to the rest of the pavilion.
I have no problem with Disney using IP as long as it adds to the experience. I do wish they could have kept World in Motion and Horizons, but I'm over it. Time to enjoy the new stuff
HauntedMansionFLA
Well-Known Member
That’s why the Wreck It Ralph Playground is the big hit with kids and parents.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It’s not gonna bomb...but I have this suspicion that it’s gonna reveal that there reality isn’t much there and it was a hit in time. No shame as many things are...but they also gonna let go...
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I’m not sure what argument you’re making...but you sure did nail the stance that they want from their “modern clientele”...
Make sure you get your tickets to after hours magic
I bet they also don't teach that the architecture and landmarks of Rome and Venice are in the same line of sight nor that Octoberfest is all year round.
The complaints are mainly about bad decisions. Progress is only progress if it’s better than what came before or if it is done properly.
Not everyone is a sheep who laps up every announcement like it’s the messiah speaking. Some are brave/clever enough to question it.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Why? A better assortment of rides might be an improvement as an amusement park but it doesn’t improve or even establish a new theme.