Blizzard Beach Construction

Brer Panther

Well-Known Member
I'm honestly surprised it took them this long to shoehorn Frozen into Blizzard Beach. Couldn't Anna, Elsa, and Olaf have co-existed with the gators instead of replacing them?
Also they're absolutely going to put Moana in Typhoon Lagoon now lol
I wouldn't put it past them. Shoehorning it into EPCOT and Animal Kingdom is bad enough...
At this point, I'm shocked that Country Bears, Carousel of Progress, Spaceship Earth, Hall of Presidents, Enchanted Tiki Room, and literally anything else without an IP Tie-In have stuck around this long... Heck... Even TTA PeopleMover had a very strong IP-Tie In Rumor for a while. How even?
They're probably going to take an axe to those six attractions at some point too. Dunno what IP they'd replace Country Bears with (Disney doesn't have any popular "western" IPs to my knowledge), but Carousel of Progress they could easily demolish and replace with an IP-based ride, rumors of Moana shoved into the Tiki Room pop up every so often, I've heard they're considering putting the Muppets in the Hall of Presidents and who knows what their plan is for the Spaceship Earth refresh. With the way Chapek is running the parks, I wouldn't be surprised if eventually Test Track gets turned into a Cars ride.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
The context of Blizzard Beach is not just snow. Anna and Elsa are not made of snow. Why not give kids more joy by adding more characters?
Why not let Disney place well-known and beloved Disney characters designed to entertain young children into a section of a Disney water park designed to entertain children?
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Goodness, we’re talking about one’s thoughts on a WDW water park, not someone’s school report or job performance. This place never fails to amuse and baffle me in equal measure.

I’d better get back to ruining Disney through my sheer laziness. 🙃
Well don't forget, you are the one who brought yourself into the discussion to characterize the responses as 'anti-IP purism' and questioning what the conflict even was... maybe be more informed before chastising others?
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
Well don't forget, you are the one who brought yourself into the discussion to characterize the responses as 'anti-IP purism' and questioning what the conflict even was... maybe be more informed before chastising others?
I don’t mind being chastised (as undiscerning, a Disney apologist, etc.). It’s just your frame of reference that I find strange. You make it sound as if my inability to get rankled by this is some sort of moral failing!
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Why not let Disney place well-known and beloved Disney characters designed to entertain young children into a section of a Disney water park designed to entertain children?
This is exactly the sort of talking down to children that Disney long deliberately avoided. Slapping characters down is easy but does not create an actual experience. By the logic of this argument, children have only recently started enjoying Disney experiences which is simply not true. All sorts of things can be done to entertain children and it most certainly does not have to be whatever can be done without thought or care.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
- Failure to notice through lack of effort
- Not putting forth the effort to consider the lead on effects
- Lackadaisical approach to opportunities given (to learn/appreciate in this case)

Take whatever elaboration you prefer... it doesn't really matter -- the net is the same. Being oblivious to the movement around... and worse.. having amble opportunity to be snapped out of the daze.

But some are happy to put up the blinders and focus on what is left.

Action in this case is putting forth the effort to at least be up to speed if you are going to interject the same points again.
I’m not sure what you mean by “up to speed.” Understanding your position? Because I really do understand and appreciate it, I just don’t feel the same way toward Disney. That doesn’t make me unqualified to interject my opinion.

The reason people aren’t objecting to Disney’s actions isn’t attributable to laziness or unawareness. In my opinion it’s because few people feel as strongly as you about Disney’s history. Most people who visit today do so because they enjoy what’s being offered. That doesn’t make them wrong or deficient in any way.

I would bet the majority of guests don’t notice/care about Frozen details being added to Tike’s Peak. They care about the attractions, CM interactions, cleanliness, etc. in fact, I know my kids would be happy that their son is excited by Olaf figures.

For better or worse (depending on your perspective) Disney is changing. It’s not going back. People who can’t accept this need to decide what to do. Contacting Disney to make their feelings known is a good beginning.
 
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Chi84

Premium Member
All sorts of things can be done to entertain children and it most certainly does not have to be whatever can be done without thought or care.
You don’t think any thought or care went into Frozen or its characters? If all sorts of things can be done to entertain children, why can’t a melting snowman entertain them at Blizzard Beach? It won’t stop parents from finding what they consider to be other more appropriate ways to entertain their kids.
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
You had me until this one. Ratatouille is a fantastic fit for this pavilion. The area and expansion make it one of the best pavilions in WS. Plus, this is a clone of a ride that's actually in Paris and features a decent amount of French. Of all the IPs in Epcot, I'd argue that this one is currently the best fit.

Three Caballeros only one of them is even Mexican; Jose Carioca is Brazilian.
Agreed that the expanded area is actually really nice.

The big problem for me is that the ride just has you on the run and there’s no real cultural connection to France. If they had to use the IP, but were more inspired, they could have created a ride where you follow Remy as he gathers (aka steals from Paris restaurants and street vendors) ingredients for a French dish and along the way you learn a little more about French cuisine, maybe. But they copied and pasted it as-is, left in the French dialogue because it was cheaper but as a bonus makes it fit a little more.

Only one of the Three Caballeros is Mexican, but in the ride they are showing you Mexico. Following Donald is the vehicle to do that, not the main point of the ride. It’s not a great ride but generally acceptable as an IP makeover for a World Showcase attraction.

And this is really half of the problem of all of the IP shoe-horning. A little more effort could make the attractions fit organically. But they either don't make them fit at all (Frozen) or they make them fit in a surface level, very superficial way (Guardians).
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
You don’t think any thought or care went into Frozen or its characters? If all sorts of things can be done to entertain children, why can’t a melting snowman entertain them at Blizzard Beach? It won’t stop parents from finding what they consider to be other more appropriate ways to entertain their kids.
I’m not entirely sure how to answer this because it is so completely disjointed from what I wrote.

I think lots of effort and care went into Frozen. Care that you and others say should not be applied to themed entertainment. Care that meant they didn’t just drop in a bunch of already existing popular Disney characters. Just dropping in character imagery is an example of not caring.

Anna and Elsa are not snowmen.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I’m not entirely sure how to answer this because it is so completely disjointed from what I wrote.

I think lots of effort and care went into Frozen. Care that you and others say should not be applied to themed entertainment. Care that meant they didn’t just drop in a bunch of already existing popular Disney characters. Just dropping in character imagery is an example of not caring.

Anna and Elsa are not snowmen.
Anna and Elsa were very good friends of the snowman. And they lived in a kingdom that was frozen and then thawed.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
What's irritating here is how incredibly narrow and inadequate Disney's understanding and use of IP is, a fairly major issue for a company that exists largely as an IP silo. IPs are not created only by films, and film-to-theme-park is not the only direction a successful transmedia exchange can occur. Blizzard Beach is an IP. Why not produce a Disney+ movie or series about the tropical community that received a freak snow storm? That expands your fundamental stock of IPs rather then narrowing it by making it another iteration of Frozen.

Personally, I prefer more unique, site specific IPs largely because they make individual locations and experiences more unique - and that goes for the merch related to those sites, as well. I'm a lot more likely to buy an Ice Gator figure then another piece of Frozen stuff since the former is tied more closely to a specific location and experience, the whole point of a souvenir.

Not to be monotone, but Universal has shown a real understanding of this principle. They have been working hard to create IPs related to their seasonal events. HHN has produced a plethora of highly marketable IPs - the icons - who move bushels of merch and build guest loyalty. This year they added Lil' Boo, a more family-friendly icon. For the resort's holiday events, they have taken the figure of Earl the Squirrel from an esoteric inside joke to a major figure plastered on merchandise year-round, appearing as a costumed meet n' greet, and peppered throughout the park. Universal thus uses its parks to grow its stock of IPs rather then to narrow them, as Disney is doing here. You would think the resort that saw massive lines for a Figment popcorn bucket might grasp this.

Finally and most subjectively - the Frozen franchise, despite massive overexposure, has not been managed well. Frozen 2 was garbage, one of the worst animated films Disney has ever produced. The appearance of the off-putting little snowball men doesn't charm me, it reminds me of how badly they dropped the ball on the franchise
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
I've never been to Blizzard Beach and have zero attachment to anything there, but I have to say those new mini snowman things are pretty creepy.
They’re called ”Snowgies,” and they are the stuff of nightmares.

 

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