Black Widow moves to 2021

[Sirwalterraleigh]

"Screwed the talent". Again, there is still a pandemic going. It affected the ENTIRE movie industry last year and is still doing so.

And Disney got a reported $500,000,000 in “relief funds” and laid off 2/3 of its staff when the check cleared…

“the company” doesn’t need your defense on this

its really about the legality/precedent of this…not “who’s spoiled”

a first world problem

 

[Dead2009]

Spoiled millionaires also dont need defending but thats neither here nor there. Thats like defending an athlete who just signed a 400 million dollar contract and then got 300 million when it expired.

 

[Archie123]

"Screwed the talent". Again, there is still a pandemic going. It affected the ENTIRE movie industry last year and is still doing so.

Correct. So Disney had the choice to hold off on releasing BW and wait until the pandemic was over or renegotiate her contract. Again if there was a clause in the contract that stated there was an exclusive theatrical window and they released it on D+ at the same, they broke the contract. Being in a pandemic doesn’t legally allow Disney to do what they want.

 

[Archie123]

Spoiled millionaires also dont need defending but thats neither here nor there. Thats like defending an athlete who just signed a 400 million dollar contract and then got 300 million when it expired.

And why are they spoiled? Do tell.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Spoiled millionaires also dont need defending but thats neither here nor there. Thats like defending an athlete who just signed a 400 million dollar contract and then got 300 million when it expired.

…nobody said they did

 

[Dead2009]

This was from an article on how Jungle Cruise has made 30 million on Disney+ alone

It should also be noted that there is no guarantee that if Premier Access was not available, that those viewers would have gone to the theater regardless. Some viewers may choose to wait for films to release on Blu-ray, and some may not yet feel comfortable entering a theater just yet with the pandemic still in tow.

But according to some the pandemic didnt affect film.

 

[Dead2009]

…nobody said they did

Everyone is going to great lengths to do so, however.

 

[Archie123]

This was from an article on how Jungle Cruise has made 30 million on Disney+ alone



But according to some the pandemic didnt affect film.

Of course the pandemic affected the film. Who has said otherwise?? However it still doesn’t change the fact that Disney may have broken the contract using Covid as their reason.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Everyone is going to great lengths to do so, however.

Not really. Some people are trying to frame this is a social issue around wealth but that's not really the issue here.

It's simple. She has a contract. Did Disney fail to meet their contractual obligations and in doing so pay her less than she is entitled to?

"She only earned $20 million instead of $30 million" is an emotional reaction. It's arguing for a certain outcome based on whether or not she needs more money.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This was from an article on how Jungle Cruise has made 30 million on Disney+ alone



But according to some the pandemic didnt affect film.

Of course it affected film…and that’s why the film studios, actors and agents are all angling to set their own “precedents”

Everyone is going to great lengths to do so, however.

Nobody is saying “poor Scarlett”…they are debating who broke the contract or have a claim

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not really. Some people are trying to frame this is a social issue around wealth but that's not really the issue here.

It's simple. She has a contract. Did Disney fail to meet their contractual obligations and in doing so pay her less than she is entitled to?

"She only earned $20 million instead of $30 million" is an emotional reaction. It's arguing for a certain outcome based on whether or not she needs more money.

This part is crass…they shouldn’t put that in a statement. And the “how dare she during covid?”

this seems to be tied to the story about the Iger camp not happy with slappy…

as in they’re gonna talk to their buddies In the Hollywood press and hint at “bad leadership?” And it’s just starting?

who’s responsible for that, Bob (1)?

 

[Disney Irish]

Not really. Some people are trying to frame this is a social issue around wealth but that's not really the issue here.

It's simple. She has a contract. Did Disney fail to meet their contractual obligations and in doing so pay her less than she is entitled to?

"She only earned $20 million instead of $30 million" is an emotional reaction. It's arguing for a certain outcome based on whether or not she needs more money.

I agree, most of the posts on this topic are emotional.

Its all going to come down to how the contract was written and whether it was ambiguous or whether it was clearly defined on theatrical release terms. This is not a slam dunk win case for either side no matter how one feels on the topic.

As I said before it'll be interesting to watch. And it'll have a ripple effect on future contracts no matter the outcome.

 

[FerretAfros]

I doubt after Disney tried to throw her under the bus by crying "we're in a pandemic, Karen" that ScarJo would want to work with Disney either. Weirdly personal on Disney's part to do that.

Without having any knowledge of the contract's details, Disney's public response is what surprised me the most. It's a classic ad hominem fallacy, attacking the character of the person making the argument, rather than the argument itself. It happens all the time, but it was so swift and obvious that it caught me off guard.

Ad hominem - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Additionally, the tone of the statement seemed especially brazen; it's the corporate equivalent of standing up and crying, "won't somebody please think of the children!" While there are certainly legal ramifications to deal with, Disney knows that this lawsuit will be tried in the court of public opinion, and has wasted no time in throwing her under the bus. Without knowing the specifics, it makes me think that Disney knows they don't have a lot of ground to stand on.

I'm not surprised by Disney's overall claim that the suit has no standing, but the additional comments in the statement seem uncharacteristic of such a large corporation that controls its image so tightly. Disney's PR machine is usually much more subtle in its manipulations of the public opinion; perhaps things are starting to change with Zenia's eminent departure

 

[BubbaisSleep]

Not really. Some people are trying to frame this is a social issue around wealth but that's not really the issue here.

It's simple. She has a contract. Did Disney fail to meet their contractual obligations and in doing so pay her less than she is entitled to?

"She only earned $20 million instead of $30 million" is an emotional reaction. It's arguing for a certain outcome based on whether or not she needs more money.

Exactly! It's sad how many people value money over self-worth. Doesn't matter if she's rich, she's entitled to what she's contracted to get for her work. Especially in a world where history has shown woman often get paid less for their work & are manipulated into "being thankful just for having a job." Everyone wants to go to sleep getting paid what they were told & earned, rich or not.

 

[Mmoore29]

Now this is particularly rich:

Disney Needs ‘Stabilizing Force’ Like Alan Horn to Defuse Escalating Scarlett Johansson Lawsuit

As the war between Scarlett Johansson and Disney escalates over 'Black Widow,' the company needs a 'stabilizing force' like Alan Horn.

variety.com

"Stabilizing force," my foot. Does this author not realize the whole Sony/Spider-Man imbroglio regarding the box office split was Horn's fault? That the James Gunn situation was his fault? That Horn is an arsonist disguised as a firefighter?

Odds are Horn has SOMETHING to do with this situation, even if he's not the only one responsible.

 

[Darkprime]

 

[MisterPenguin]

Can't trust anyone who thought Disney was leak proof.

 

[doctornick]

The PR seems to me to have distinctly changed without Zenia. And not for the better.

 

[CJR]

The PR seems to me to have distinctly changed without Zenia. And not for the better.

Zenia is still working for Disney though. Doesn't she finish her tenure "sometime next year"?

Seems like this is just an insider strategy to let only certain things slip through to spin a certain message. Either that or she dropped the ball accidentally, unlikely.

 

[Robbiem]

interesting article about the wiser issue of royalties for comic book characters

Marvel and DC face backlash over pay: âThey sent a thank you note and $5,000 â the movie made $1bnâ

As the comics giants make billions from their storylines and characters, writers and artists are speaking out about their struggles for fair payment

www.theguardian.com