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Black Widow moves to 2021
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MarvelCharacterNerd
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I was honestly more excited about Shang-Chi coming up than this one, because Black Widow is not a big deal character for me. But I was surprised at how well this film kept my attention and I enjoyed it a lot more than I expected to. For me, David Harbour stole all the scenes though. 
I'd rank this mid-pack for me personally - not in my top 10, but in the immediate next group, which is higher than I'd have expected it to fall initially.
I'd be down for a Widow Disney+ series featuring
But I gather from the tag scene that's not where the next focus will be!
But at least the tech shown here finally explained to me
I'd rank this mid-pack for me personally - not in my top 10, but in the immediate next group, which is higher than I'd have expected it to fall initially.
I'd be down for a Widow Disney+ series featuring
Yelena and the Widows tracking down and freeing the rest of the missing Widows - maybe with some guest-starring help from Melina and Alexei.
But at least the tech shown here finally explained to me
Sharon's face-off moment in Falcon & Winter Soldier! She was using the tech seen here with Melina and Natasha.
Brummyboy92
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Enjoyed it, was worried I was not going to.
It's been such a large gap since the last Marvel movie, and had my doubts that this was going to re-engage me, however I can safely say it did.
It's been such a large gap since the last Marvel movie, and had my doubts that this was going to re-engage me, however I can safely say it did.
erasure fan1
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There really isn't any real way to prove enthusiasm. All I know is not one friend, family member or coworker of mine, has seen black widow. I've always said when discussing these types of things, that it's just my small circle. But I'm a talker. I love talking MCU star wars, video games... all the nerd stuff as they say. And the people I talk to really are just meh on BW, eternals and shang chi. I also said it doesn't mean the MCU is done and everything is going to flop. It just means less people are chomping at the bit to run out and see these first few movies. That doesn't mean they won't see them. If you make a really good film, odds are people will see it.
LSLS
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Out of curiosity, how many went opening weekend to Ant man and the wasp? I do agree that there seems like less hype for the movies coming up (the trailers still don't have me interested in Shang Chi, and I'm on the fence with eternals). But is that maybe because these are lesser-known characters? Meaning will interest start shooting back up once things like the fantastic four and xmen start coming into play?
Jedijax719
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Enthusiasm cannot be measured the same as it was in 2019. Endgame was the culmination of 11 years of box office smashes. And it was the follow up to a part 1 that was already highly loved. I'd say that enthusiasm for the MCU is still much higher than it was for Star Wars after 2017. The consistency has been there. We are just in a different climate. We went from 2019 when EVERYONE was hyped on Endgame to 2020 when there was nothing to now when the TV series are more "water-cooler" talk.
In essence, we are at the point we were before the first Avengers movie BUT with the caveat that we are among lesser-known entities (Shang Chi, Eternals). It's been 2 years since End Game so people aren't really going to go crazy over Black Widow, knowing her fate. Before End Game and Infinity War, it was known that EVERY MCU movie somehow fed into the big climax.
When Doctor Strange2 and Thor4 are teased, the enthusiasm will rise once again. It may not be as high as it was around IW and EG, but it will rise above where we are now. And BP:WF will likely raise it higher if done well.
In essence, we are at the point we were before the first Avengers movie BUT with the caveat that we are among lesser-known entities (Shang Chi, Eternals). It's been 2 years since End Game so people aren't really going to go crazy over Black Widow, knowing her fate. Before End Game and Infinity War, it was known that EVERY MCU movie somehow fed into the big climax.
When Doctor Strange2 and Thor4 are teased, the enthusiasm will rise once again. It may not be as high as it was around IW and EG, but it will rise above where we are now. And BP:WF will likely raise it higher if done well.
Wendy Pleakley
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I'd look at box office performance versus drawing conclusions from talking to a handful of people.
Black Widow opened well, given the current circumstances. It opened better than the hugely popular Fast & Furious franchise did.
Enthusiasm may have waned a bit, as how can anything compete with the build-up to, and execution of the last two Avengers movies, but that's relative. By any other standard the MCU is doing just fine.
erasure fan1
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I get it, I really do. Again I'm not saying everyone all of a sudden hates the mcu. All I'm saying is there has been a drop in enthusiasm for the mcu in my eyes. As someone who has been a huge supporter of Feige and the mcu. I just find it interesting that that the overall majority of people I know aren't showing any, or very little, interest in this slate of mcu films. And I'm guessing I'm not the only one who has a similar observation. It really doesn't matter either way. If the movies are great, people will see them.
doctornick
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One big question is though how the Premier Access purchases will impact the down the stream revenues (DVD, rentals) or legs at the theater. Might make revenues even more upfront than previously
mom the flip side it helps with D+ subs
I tend to think it won't have that much impact. It was only 2 million people (seems like a lot, but not really a lot either). Consider a number of them could have been die hards that will see it both in the theater and bought it on disney+ (How many marvel bloggers are doing this is an easy one). Heard many on here (that doesn't mean much on value, but just shows there is a segment doing it) that have said they bought it but now also plan to see it in theaters. Many probably never would have seen it in theaters, so this was just extra cash for more than rentals would have been (I know of a family that purchased on premium access only because there son refused to go to the theaters due to covid, and the father didn't want to miss it without seeing it with him).
I think this move worked for the situation now. I think Covid hurt there numbers, and the premier access brought some of those users the ability to pay disney for it now. And that's more than any profit they will lose on dvds and rentals. But we will never know for sure and I am sure some will argue till the end of time about it.
MarvelCharacterNerd
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I wish I could see the multiverse where this movie arrived right after Endgame (instead of Spidey). I think it would have had a bigger impact.
Ideally, I think I would've liked this even more chronologically (minus the tag scene) between Civil War and Infinity War.
I might even watch it that way if I marathon the films again (saving the tag scene to watch also where it falls chronologically.)
On the subject of streaming - I'm glad I watched it on Disney+ and I wish all movies in the future had the simultaneous option. I'm not looking forward to having to go back into a theater for Shang-Chi and the Eternals.
Ideally, I think I would've liked this even more chronologically (minus the tag scene) between Civil War and Infinity War.
I might even watch it that way if I marathon the films again (saving the tag scene to watch also where it falls chronologically.)
On the subject of streaming - I'm glad I watched it on Disney+ and I wish all movies in the future had the simultaneous option. I'm not looking forward to having to go back into a theater for Shang-Chi and the Eternals.
FutureCEO
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The other question is how many people like me who want to see the movie are not paying $30 to see it.
Samba TV tracks a portion of U.S. streaming. According to them, in Black Widow's first week, there were 2 million streaming purchases. In the second week, 1.1M purchases. That's a drop of 55%.
So, if we take Disney's reported income of $60M in the first week, and apply a 55% drop, then the second week would be $33M in sales.
That's a total of $93M for streaming purchase of Black Widow. Using industry rule of thumb for sharing those purchases with platforms (such as AppleTV), which gives the platforms 15%, then Disney netted $80M for D+ showings of Black Widow (by week two, don't know about this past week).
As of now, Black Widow's box office world wide is $315. As a rule of thumb, Disney gets half of that: $157M.
Add BO and D+ for a net of $237M.
The budget for BW was $300M (average for an MCU movie).
It's likely that BW will be a net profit for Disney by the time the theatrical window closes.
deadline.com
So, if we take Disney's reported income of $60M in the first week, and apply a 55% drop, then the second week would be $33M in sales.
That's a total of $93M for streaming purchase of Black Widow. Using industry rule of thumb for sharing those purchases with platforms (such as AppleTV), which gives the platforms 15%, then Disney netted $80M for D+ showings of Black Widow (by week two, don't know about this past week).
As of now, Black Widow's box office world wide is $315. As a rule of thumb, Disney gets half of that: $157M.
Add BO and D+ for a net of $237M.
The budget for BW was $300M (average for an MCU movie).
It's likely that BW will be a net profit for Disney by the time the theatrical window closes.
‘Black Widow’ 10-Day U.S. Household Viewership Rises To 2M On Disney+ Premier, Samba TV Reports
Samba TV says 2 million U.S. Smart TV terrestrial households have tuned into Disney+ Premier's Black Widow over its first 10 days.
deadline.com
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NateD1226
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Black Widow will be available on digital starting August 10 and Blu-ray/DVD on September 14. Here are the extras:
decider.com
- Bloopers – Take a look at some of the fun mishaps on set with the cast and crew of “Black Widow.”
- Deleted Scenes:
- Grocery Shopping – Natasha heads into a grocery store to prepare for her journey through Norway. After a long drive, she arrives at her destination: a mysterious trailer in the middle of nowhere.
- Bike Chase – Tailed by assailants, Natasha and Yelena speed through the city in order to escape their nemeses.
- Gulag Fight – Alexei squares up against several enemies and is quickly overpowered. When all hope seems lost, Natasha leaps in to lend a hand in the fight.
- Smile – The Taskmaster protocol is activated in a tense moment, and an iconic helmet is unveiled.
- Come After Me – Secretary Ross and Mason discover an important message Natasha left behind.
- Walk and Talk – Alexei and Melina have a playful exchange. The Taskmaster arrives and faces off with Alexei.
- Widows in Training – Yelena and Alexei awaken in captivity. Melina hands the Taskmaster vials while the Widows train.
- Kiss – Alexei and Melina reunite after the action. Natasha grieves over an untimely demise in the brutal aftermath.
- Ohio – Natasha witnesses the carefree nature of the Ohio suburbs through the neighborhood children.
- Filmmaker Introduction Featurette – Director Cate Shortland introduces the film and her vision for it.
- Sisters Gonna Work It Out Featurette – Watch Scarlett and Florence as they train, fight, and bond to become the sister duo in “Black Widow.” Listen as the cast and crew discuss the characters, rigorous training, and building the dynamic between the two fearsome siblings.
- Go Big If You’re Going Home Featurette – Step back to appreciate the size and scale of “Black Widow”’s solo film. Shot around the world, the film balances family and drama with mind-blowing action. The cast and crew reveal the intricacies of stunts that made the film so action-packed.
‘Black Widow’ Announces Early Digital Release Date
Watch Marvel’s favorite superspy on-demand in just two weeks.
decider.com
mightynine
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Well, that's awkward.
ETA: Pay up, Chappie!
ETA: Pay up, Chappie!
Wendy Pleakley
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Most studios updated talent agreements for just this reason. I thought Disney specifically said they were doing so as well.
This was an obvious outcome, dumb of them not to have seen this coming.
This was an obvious outcome, dumb of them not to have seen this coming.
Mouse Trap
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Rumor was Disney paid her up front a hefty bonus for something like this not to happen. Either they skimped her or didn't go through with it.