Black Panther

Princess Leia

Princess Leia

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erasure fan1 said:
Yea I really liked black panther but infinity war was the better movie. I'm glad we are seeing a blockbuster on the best picture list. Even if it's most likely the academy just trying to throw a bone to the viewers who are mad the most popular of movies rarely get nominated.
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From what I’ve heard, it’s a better movie than Bohemian Rhapsody. I’m actually pretty shocked that one has been nominated (and won!) for this many awards.
 
Mike S

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So many great superhero movies before and after it yet this is the first one to get nominated for Best Picture. I’m really not surprised though considering what aspect everyone focused on rather than it just being another really good superhero movie. I’ll be very conflicted if it ends up winning. On one hand the winner will finally be a movie I really enjoyed. On the other, I will know the reason why it won which to me isn’t very honest. If they didn’t care about superhero movies before they still don’t now. If they did Infinity War would be right up there nominated as well. To put it simply, they’re pandering to the people that complained about #OscarsSoWhite.
 
Anders Limpar

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Mike S said:
So many great superhero movies before and after it yet this is the first one to get nominated for Best Picture. I’m really not surprised though considering what aspect everyone focused on rather than it just being another really good superhero movie. I’ll be very conflicted if it ends up winning. On one hand the winner will finally be a movie I really enjoyed. On the other, I will know the reason why it won which to me isn’t very honest. If they didn’t care about superhero movies before they still don’t now. If they did Infinity War would be right up there nominated as well. To put it simply, they’re pandering to the people that complained about #OscarsSoWhite.
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Aside from the cultural aspect, I don't understand the hype.

For those of you who loved this movie, why did you love it so much, what makes it such a great movie in your eyes? Do you quote lines from the movie?

The movie seemed very average to me and I was bored with it. Parts of it were derivative (communicating with deceased ancestors, young ruler trying to find his place in the world while dealing with the death of a loved one, main character comes back from the dead, a "friend" who seemingly deserted the main character comes in Han Solo-esque to help save the day in the climactic battle, etc.).
 
MisterPenguin

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Advancements in cinema can also be advancements in the way cultural issues are addressed in film.

A movie like Black Panther wherein an African tribe is the most technologically advanced people on Earth is not something that would have been made 40 years ago, or even 20.

Add in a villain who was sorta right in his stance that their culture was too closed off (rather than the villain being some CGI freak, and yes, I'm looking at you DCEU), well, that addresses the (re-)rise of isolationist nationalism.

But then the hero comes to understand that they have an obligation to share and lead (no wall, no fascism)... then that is a movie that addresses the issues of our times in allegorical form.

Oscars have always rewarded films that address larger cultural and political issues rather than the film being a complete story in a vacuum. It's what an art form is supposed to do.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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MisterPenguin said:
Advancements in cinema can also be advancements in the way cultural issues are addressed in film.

A movie like Black Panther wherein an African tribe is the most technologically advanced people on Earth is not something that would have been made 40 years ago, or even 20.

Add in a villain who was sorta right in his stance that their culture was too closed off (rather than the villain being some CGI freak, and yes, I'm looking at you DCEU), well, that addresses the (re-)rise of isolationist nationalism.

But then the hero comes to understand that they have an obligation to share and lead (no wall, no fascism)... then that is a movie that addresses the issues of our times in allegorical form.

Oscars have always rewarded films that address larger cultural and political issues rather than the film being a complete story in a vacuum. It's what an art form is supposed to do.
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It was made that long ago. As a comic. It’s not some big new thing. It was co-created by Stan Lee and then upon his death people somehow still tried to drag his name through the mud calling him racist and bigoted. We’ve also had black superheroes before. It’s nothing new. All that’s new is people being laser focused on superficial features rather than who the character is and what they accomplish through their struggles. Hmmmm, where have I heard of judgements based on superficial features like that before?
 
MisterPenguin

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Mike S said:
It was made that long ago. As a comic. It’s not some big new thing. It was co-created by Stan Lee and then upon his death people somehow still tried to drag his name through the mud calling him racist and bigoted. We’ve also had black superheroes before. It’s nothing new. All that’s new is people being laser focused on superficial differences rather than who the character is and what they accomplish through their struggles. Hmmmm, where have I heard of judgements based on superficial features like that before?
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It's new for the medium and for world-wide acceptance.
 
Princess Leia

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Anders Limpar said:
Aside from the cultural aspect, I don't understand the hype.

For those of you who loved this movie, why did you love it so much, what makes it such a great movie in your eyes? Do you quote lines from the movie?

The movie seemed very average to me and I was bored with it. Parts of it were derivative (communicating with deceased ancestors, young ruler trying to find his place in the world while dealing with the death of a loved one, main character comes back from the dead, a "friend" who seemingly deserted the main character comes in Han Solo-esque to help save the day in the climactic battle, etc.).
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So, I think it’s obvious that I really liked the movie (saw it in theaters 3 times, and then bought the blu-ray). Here’s what I like about it:

  • The story is probably one of the tightest in the MCU. It’s like 90% self contained, you don’t need to have watched 3 other movies to know who the characters are.
  • The characters felt natural to me. They felt like people who really could exist in the world. I know people have discussed him over and over, but Michael B Jordan’s Killmonger had more of a goal than ‘Kill a bunch of people just because’ (Thor 2, Captain America 2- which I still love, GotG2). Also, I will admit that it was nice to not have a ‘looks like one of the pilots got out and is now attacking NYC’ moment, something that Aquaman also averted.
  • Also, the actors all looked like they were having a great time making the movie (cough, Thor 2 actors, cough)
  • Back to characters- the four lead female characters were great. It’s a shame that Danae Gurira wasn’t brought up as much as Michael B Jordan in conversations, because she was a JOY.
  • Andy Serkis outside of motion capture suits is a thing that should happen more. His villain was super giddy.
  • Outstanding music. Both the score and the soundtrack were terrific.
  • Amazing costume design. I’m really rooting for the film to win an Oscar in this category.
  • Great hair and makeup design (should have been nominated)
Should Black Panther have been the first superhero movie to be nominated for Best Picture? Absolutely not. The Dark Knight still holds that honor. But since 2008, there aren’t too many that I would have said could earn one of those spots. If any, I would say the first Avengers (fight me, it’s still a good movie), Deadpool, and Wonder Woman. But Black Panther being nominated really opens the door for others.

Black Panther isn’t perfect (there is a reason it isn’t nominated for best visual effects- look at the battle rhinos), but FWIW, it’s not alone in that category. However, for the first time in awhile, it looks like a few plain old fun movies are being nominated for Best Picture this year, and that’s not a bad thing.

Adding this because this thread took a weird turn- I really don’t think this is a race thing. A lot of the movies nominated this year in various categories seem to be pretty diverse (BlackkKlansman, Green Book, Roma, If Beale Street Could Talk, Bohemian Rhapsody- Freddie was Parsi, and Rami is Egyptian-American), so it’s not like the Academy decided to pin all of their multicultural hopes onto Black Panther.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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Princess Leia said:
So, I think it’s obvious that I really liked the movie (saw it in theaters 3 times, and then bought the blu-ray). Here’s what I like about it:

  • The story is probably one of the tightest in the MCU. It’s like 90% self contained, you don’t need to have watched 3 other movies to know who the characters are.
  • The characters felt natural to me. They felt like people who really could exist in the world. I know people have discussed him over and over, but Michael B Jordan’s Killmonger had more of a goal than ‘Kill a bunch of people just because’ (Thor 2, Captain America 2- which I still love, GotG2). Also, I will admit that it was nice to not have a ‘looks like one of the pilots got out and is now attacking NYC’ moment, something that Aquaman also averted.
  • Also, the actors all looked like they were having a great time making the movie (cough, Thor 2 actors, cough)
  • Back to characters- the four lead female characters were great. It’s a shame that Danae Gurira wasn’t brought up as much as Michael B Jordan in conversations, because she was a JOY.
  • Andy Serkis outside of motion capture suits is a thing that should happen more. His villain was super giddy.
  • Outstanding music. Both the score and the soundtrack were terrific.
  • Amazing costume design. I’m really rooting for the film to win an Oscar in this category.
  • Great hair and makeup design (should have been nominated)
Should Black Panther have been the first superhero movie to be nominated for Best Picture? Absolutely not. The Dark Knight still holds that honor. But since 2008, there aren’t too many that I would have said could earn one of those spots. If any, I would say the first Avengers (fight me, it’s still a good movie), Deadpool, and Wonder Woman. But Black Panther being nominated really opens the door for others.

Black Panther isn’t perfect (there is a reason it isn’t nominated for best visual effects- look at the battle rhinos), but FWIW, it’s not alone in that category. However, for the first time in awhile, it looks like a few plain old fun movies are being nominated for Best Picture this year, and that’s not a bad thing.

Adding this because this thread took a weird turn- I really don’t think this is a race thing. A lot of the movies nominated this year in various categories seem to be pretty diverse (BlackkKlansman, Green Book, Roma, If Beale Street Could Talk, Bohemian Rhapsody- Freddie was Parsi, and Rami is Egyptian-American), so it’s not like the Academy decided to pin all of their multicultural hopes onto Black Panther.
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I’d put Iron Man as a contender as well but that’s just me. The thing with Black Panther is because of how big it was it seems like it got picked just to shut some people up, not the actual merit of the movie. What can you do though. When humans pick something there will always be some bias going on in some direction or another. Personally, I think I enjoyed Into the Spider-Verse more if we’re just talking Superhero flicks (please win best animated movie!!!! Disney and Pixar kind of phoned it in this year :confused:). Infinity War would of course be on top. My hope for the actual win of Best Picture is Bohemian Rhapsody. What a fantastic movie that was.
 
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erasure fan1

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Princess Leia said:
Andy Serkis outside of motion capture suits is a thing that should happen more. His villain was super giddy.
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I loved Serkis as Klaw. I think killing him was the biggest mistake the movie made. But I guess if there is one criticism of the MCU, it's too many throw away villains.
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Adding this because this thread took a weird turn- I really don’t think this is a race thing.
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It wasn't the only thing but it was part of it I believe. The movie once again proved that Marvel isn't a one trick pony and can flourish with lesser known characters. The nomination still feels like a "are you happy now? We nominated one of your little super hero movies, now get off our back." From the academy. Now they can say, look how diverse we are.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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erasure fan1 said:
I loved Serkis as Klaw. I think killing him was the biggest mistake the movie made. But I guess if there is one criticism of the MCU, it's too many throw away villains.
It wasn't the only thing but it was part of it I believe. The movie once again proved that Marvel isn't a one trick pony and can flourish with lesser known characters. The nomination still feels like a "are you happy now? We nominated one of your little super hero movies, now get off our back." From the academy. Now they can say, look how diverse we are.
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Which is weird because Infinity War was also an incredibly diverse movie. The hero with the most screen time was also Gamora - played by a Black Woman. Yet, it’s only nomination is for visual effects. This really feels like a huge snub to the directors, writers, and everyone else that pulled off an incredible movie with such a huge cast and making every character feel important. It was truly a landmark film culminating 10 years of hard work. It probably wouldn’t have won, but imagine having all the actors get on stage if it was announced as Best Picture. It would have been an absolutely incredible moment.
 
Princess Leia

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Mike S said:
I’d put Iron Man as a contender as well but that’s just me. The thing with Black Panther is because of how big it was it seems like it got picked just to shut some people up, not the actual merit of the movie. What can you do though. When humans pick something there will always be some bias going on in some direction or another. Personally, I think I enjoyed Into the Spider-Verse more if we’re just talking Superhero flicks (please win best animated movie!!!! Disney and Pixar kind of phoned it in this year :confused:). Infinity War would of course be on top. My hope for the actual win of Best Picture is Bohemian Rhapsody. What a fantastic movie that was.
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Iron Man came out like 2 months before Dark Knight, it wasn’t going to compete at the Oscars with it ;) But if it was like 2007 or 2009, yeah, Iron Man for sure would have been talked about as a great superhero film... it just happened to have the misfortune of coming out right before TDK (I’ve really enjoyed this superhero film retrospection, you might too- https://www.avclub.com/does-the-most-important-year-for-superhero-movies-belon-1830035680 )

Speaking of Spider-verse, that should have been nominated for the screenplay.

The way Best Picture nominations happen now, I see no reason for popular genre films to not be nominated. I think the last animated film to be nominated for BP was Toy Story 3? Coco definitely should have been under consideration last year, just like Spider-verse this year (not only for best animated, but for best super hero film- looking at you, 2019 MTV awards, and even best picture). There was a lot of talk around A Quiet Place and Crazy Rich Asians being potential best picture nominees too. The more the Academy diversifies, the better for movie lovers.
 

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