News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

Virtual Toad

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I think the missing ingredient is $$$$.. Bland and commonplace is cheaper than theming and unique. It seems that Disney spending for the last 10 years has been on a track of, make it as cheaply as possible. The parks have been the ATM that made the money to cover the other divisions when they had hard times. It has also allowed Disney to make all of their acquisitions. With Disney+ sucking down huge amounts of cash to get started and Disney film hitting speed bumps, it was critical that parks spending be the minimum necessary to preserve cash to for the other divisions.
I agree that "on the cheap" seems to be a large part of the trend (compare the Polyday Inn to Animal Kingdom Lodge, for instance), but Disney and WDI have not been exactly fiscally responsible-- or wise-- when it comes to their recent spending decisions. The amount of money spent on the hub redo boggles the mind in terms of the lackluster result. Not tearing down Communicore West, doing a simpler reskin, and spending a portion of that budget on updating/restoring Imagination would have checked all the boxes for the redo and potentially delivered much more for less. The hub redo and Communicore Hall not only look cheap but they also cost a ton of money which makes the failure even more conspicuous.
 
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JohnD

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Yes, but, like, either have something in there or don’t have it open to the public.
Agreed. I thought the point of ending F&G early was that they were going to have, for lack of a better term, a mini-festival surrounding the opening of Communicore Hall. Did Figment specifically have to be inside as shown in the concept art? No. But fill it up, put some exhibits in there. Anything. Make it worth visiting. Instead we get an empty warehouse with chairs and tables slapped around.
 

HauntedMansionFLA

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I agree with much of what you said; I think we also agree that projects such as the Wilderness Lodge and others (let's put Animal Kingdom Lodge in that category as well), while based on some sort of real-world inspiration, take that inspiration and turn it into something more.

The new hub and Comminucore Hall simply fail to achieve that level of excellence, that intangible but easily recognizable feeling of fantasy, escape, immersion, quality and detail the company promises and guests deserve. The WL, AKL, Pandora, Main Street USA, New Orleans Square, World Showcase and other projects are all romanticized and hyperrealized. That's the difference. Communicore Hall and the new hub only meet the very low bar of achieving what the guest can easily find elsewhere, be it a revitalized downtown core, a recreation center activity room, a hospital cafeteria, or a college campus student union. There is nothing about the end result that takes the ordinary and exceeds expectations. (The revitalized front entrance and LED light installation on Spaceship Earth are the exceptions of course as the wide consensus is that these were well executed.) It also fails badly on the utilitarian front, replacing wide vistas and orderly traffic flow with confusion and discord. The more historically recent additions of whirlygigs, pin trading and shade triangles may have added clutter but the original utilitarian intent of the space remained intact. Ironically, the discordant nature of the new hub matches the theme of the new (former) Future World perfectly in that it makes clear to the guest that there is no theme.

To be clear, I am not criticizing the architects who did the design work on behalf of the client, and I am not fixated on whether Barbara Bouza or Gensler did the work. The criticism lies with whoever approved the concepts in the first place. It's my fascination with the who and why that has me asking where the desire for that design influence came from, how decisions were made regarding the design, who approved it and why.

Someone keeps directing the modern design efforts of the company toward the bland and commonplace and that's what I am trying to understand.
Josh D’Amaro is in charge of the parks. Start by asking him.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Agreed. I thought the point of ending F&G early was that they were going to have, for lack of a better term, a mini-festival surrounding the opening of Communicore Hall. Did Figment specifically have to be inside as shown in the concept art? No. But fill it up, put some exhibits in there. Anything. Make it worth visiting. Instead we get an empty warehouse with chairs and tables slapped around.
one of the artists from the art festival could be there right now!

And does anyone disagree that one of the performance artists like Trevor Carlton would be better than the encanto show?
 

AdventureHasAName

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They should be VERY ashamed of Imagination in its current form. Is there a less-compelling attraction in Epcot right now?
There isn't an attraction in Epcot right now that is better than the the original attraction it replaced. None. The only one that is arguable is Soarin (if you consider it a replacement for Food Rocks - which it really isn't). Every other ride/attraction has gotten worse with each subsequent renovation.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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There isn't an attraction in Epcot right now that is better than the the original attraction it replaced. None. The only one that is arguable is Soarin (if you consider it a replacement for Food Rocks - which it really isn't). Every other ride/attraction has gotten worse with each subsequent renovation.
My opinion is that Cosmic Rewind is vastly superior to what it replaced, and the version before that.
 

lazyboy97o

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I think the missing ingredient is $$$$.. Bland and commonplace is cheaper than theming and unique. It seems that Disney spending for the last 10 years has been on a track of, make it as cheaply as possible. The parks have been the ATM that made the money to cover the other divisions when they had hard times. It has also allowed Disney to make all of their acquisitions. With Disney+ sucking down huge amounts of cash to get started and Disney film hitting speed bumps, it was critical that parks spending be the minimum necessary to preserve cash to for the other divisions.
Disney’s track has been make it as expensive as possible.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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My opinion is that Cosmic Rewind is vastly superior to what it replaced, and the version before that.
Yes and no. Both versions of Universe of Energy were very impressive attractions when they opened, were 100% on theme, and were pretty much the definition of Epcot.

Cosmic Rewind is fun, but it’s not on theme and is somewhat lacking outside of the physical thrills, which are fun.
 

AdventureHasAName

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My opinion is that Cosmic Rewind is vastly superior to what it replaced, and the version before that.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion. But in my opinion, nothing compared to that original entry into the primeval world with all of the animatronics and the smells and the humidity - as a seven year old in 1983, it was incredible. And it enhanced the themeing of Future World because it was on-topic and not just an IP placement.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Well, you're entitled to your opinion. But in my opinion, nothing compared to that original entry into the primeval world with all of the animatronics and the smells and the humidity
Exactly. And the sunrise effect - oh man it was perfect. I wish I could have seen the original with the wave machine working!

That scene was imagineering perfection. Nothing in cosmic rewind is as impressive as that scene.

Not to mention you entered that scene by your theatre moving and separating!!! Trackless vehicles in the 80’s and yet we are supposed be impressed with rise and runaway
 

HMF

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So, basically what they did for Epcot's 25th..
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I wish they didn't make that exhibit so out of the way and hard to find. Would have saved me a lot of grief during my senior trip in 2008.
 

Centauri Space Station

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There isn't an attraction in Epcot right now that is better than the the original attraction it replaced. None. The only one that is arguable is Soarin (if you consider it a replacement for Food Rocks - which it really isn't). Every other ride/attraction has gotten worse with each subsequent renovation.
GFT with real AAs, Frozen with less disjointed story and less random mish mash of mannequins, Test track, SSE and LWTL still pretty good, and Guardians
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
I LOVE original EPCOT Center, but I also understand that Future World was basically entirely made up of passive, slow-moving dark rides and that needed to change to appeal to a broader audience. The problem is that along the way they abandoned a lot of things that made EPCOT Center what it was.

Anyway, regarding Communicore Hall, why DIDN'T anyone decide to have an exhibit in there for the opening instead of leaving it as plain and barren as possible. Nobody seems to have any clue how to promote things properly or try to put the best look on something that was built to be plain.

Some have said it isn't really any worse than what it replaced...which is technically true but also a very low bar. Innoventions and the original Communicore HAD really amazing exhibits at one time....replacing a building that was pared down to nearly nothing with a new building that has nearly nothing at open is not the way to get people interested.
 

dreamfinding

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Anyway, regarding Communicore Hall, why DIDN'T anyone decide to have an exhibit in there for the opening instead of leaving it as plain and barren as possible. Nobody seems to have any clue how to promote things properly or try to put the best look on something that was built to be plain.

Some have said it isn't really any worse than what it replaced...which is technically true but also a very low bar. Innoventions and the original Communicore HAD really amazing exhibits at one time....replacing a building that was pared down to nearly nothing with a new building that has nearly nothing at open is not the way to get people interested.
It is absolutely asinine. The archives holds 100 years worth of history (some years more well documented than others). I have attended a WD Archives display (@ Graceland during the 50th) and is was amazing!

The thing is, it wouldn’t even have to be a large display. They could pull out some original Epcot concept art, some original Epcot merchandise, maps, maybe even a few attraction used props and it would fill the space.

Look at One Man’s Dream in DHS. Why didn’t they do something similar in Communicore Hall?
 

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