News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

HMF

HMF

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MisterPenguin said:
I never knew that one of Walt's defining characteristics was resistance to change and inability to develop.

Of course, you're arguing about how Walt would feel about changes in a park that he not only never saw, but had radically different ideas about what it should have been. If Walt is rolling over in his heavenly grave, it's over what his brother and board of directors did with his plans for EPCOT.

And even if there are employees who joined -- and for some strange reason stayed with a Walt Disney company while hating him -- and even if there are a significant number of them, then certainly they're not in charge of anything. We know that because over the past few years, TWDC has been doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the name "Walt" and "Walt Disney." The rumor, which is more of a fevered dream by conspiracy theorists, that the name "Walt" was going to be removed, is utterly laughably. Again, they've been emphasizing Walt, as seen in this statue.
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The honest to god truth is we don't know what Walt would want were he alive today and it is really stupid to speculate and put words in dead peoples mouths. I personally think it is stupid to have a Walt statue in EPCOT for two reasons. One, We know that the park that exists today is not the city he envisioned so it's a false narrative. Two , The parks narrative should be about mankind in general so having a statue honoring one man goes against that and I am by no means someone who hates Walt's legacy. Then again they (Obviously) don't consult me. That's just my opinion.
 
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DreamfinderGuy

DreamfinderGuy

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HMF said:
The honest to god truth is we don't know what Walt would want were he alive today and it is really stupid to speculate and put words in dead peoples mouths.
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Sure I guess we don't, but I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that the guy who was so enamored with futurism in the 60s would be at least a tiny bit disappointed that a large scale project dedicated to it (in his name no less) has devolved into a place that most people think of as one to get wasted at. That's not even touching the fact that the statue being installed gives off the exact opposite connotations.
 
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Cliff

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MisterPenguin said:
I never knew that one of Walt's defining characteristics was resistance to change and inability to develop.

Of course, you're arguing about how Walt would feel about changes in a park that he not only never saw, but had radically different ideas about what it should have been. If Walt is rolling over in his heavenly grave, it's over what his brother and board of directors did with his plans for EPCOT.

And even if there are employees who joined -- and for some strange reason stayed with a Walt Disney company while hating him -- and even if there are a significant number of them, then certainly they're not in charge of anything. We know that because over the past few years, TWDC has been doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the name "Walt" and "Walt Disney." The rumor, which is more of a fevered dream by conspiracy theorists, that the name "Walt" was going to be removed, is utterly laughably. Again, they've been emphasizing Walt, as seen in this statue.
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Let's take one very tiny simple modern example: Does anybody here believe that Walt Disney would have ever allowed a giant, UGLY, dead, construction crater to rot and fester in the center of Epcot (or any of his parks)....for 6 years? If anybody says: "Sure,...Walt would be OK with that". Then you have no clue how much Walt cared about the esthetic's of his park!

Walt would have moved Heaven and Hell to get that horrible mess cleared out and FINISHED....fast! That was literally one of THE most important and WELL DOCUMENTED features of his core philosophy! (This CEO and park president?....nope!, they didn't give a damn)

And what did we get for that 6 year disaster?? A walk through water pump attraction, a concert stage and a park with trees and benches and a statue??? It took Disney 6 years to FINALLY come up with the money to finish that?..... "THAT"???? Walt would have fired EVERYBODY on that project after one year of that kind of floundering and lack of concern!

How expensive was this new open area? Let me guess,...Disney prolly paid, I dunno,...500 million? 800 million? Nobody here knows but we can ALL expect that Disney paid maybe three times what they "should" have paid for it. That's Disney's "style" lately.

Can we even call this new park area "Imagineering" at all? It's as vanilla and bland as it could possibly be!

I can think of a hundred things Disney has done in the past 10 years that would have made Walt's head explode. We ALL can,...IF we are being truly honest with ourselves! (but that is a big ask today)
 
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Disgruntled Walt

Disgruntled Walt

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Cliff said:
Let's take one very tiny simple modern example: Does anybody here believe that Walt Disney would have ever allowed a giant, UGLY, dead, construction crater to rot and fester in the center of Epcot (or any of his parks)....for 6 years? If anybody says: "Sure,...Walt would be OK with that". Then you have no clue how much Walt cared about the esthetic's of his park!

Walt would have moved Heaven and Hell to get that horrible mess cleared out and FINISHED....fast! That was literally one of THE most important features of his philosophy! (This CEO and park president?....nope!, they didn't give a damn)

And what did we get for that 6 year disaster?? A walk through water pump attraction, a concert stage and a park with trees and benches and a statue??? It took Disney 6 years to FINALLY come up with the money to finish that?..... "THAT"???? Walt would have fired EVERYBODY on that project after one year of that kind of floundering and lack of concern!

How expensive was this new open area? Let me guess,...Disney prolly paid, I dunno,...500 million? 800 million? Nobody here knows but we can ALL expect that Disney paid maybe three times what they "should" have paid for it. That's Disney's "style" lately.

Can we even call this new park area "Imagineering" at all? It's as vanilla and bland as it could possibly be!

I can think of a hundred things Disney has done in the past 10 years that would have made Walt's head explode. We ALL can,...if we are being truly honest with ourselves!
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I would LOVE to know Dick Nunis' thoughts on all of this!
 
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Cliff

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imagineer97 said:
Imagine if he were secretly on this forum...
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mattpeto said:
These hypotheticals are pointless. Who knows what Walt would have thought. He might have not been happy with any of it or all of it. And who cares..

Epcot was his dream and in some ways, there’s a park with a little bit of his mental DNA in it.
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Yep,...that's exactly the way current Disney management in Burbank think today. You took the words right out of their mouth. Bulls eye!!
 
JenniferS

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
wbostic12 said:
Found it.
We haven’t had EPCOT without walls since September 9, 2019
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Yup, this was the 8th.

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monothingie

monothingie

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
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So I assume this is going to be a Photo Pass only thing?

I can't imagine leaving this thing unguarded with full access to the unwashed masses during the day. Although I can't imagine anything bad or torrid that would happen, especially during peak drinky time festivals.
 
JohnD

JohnD

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Disney Analyst said:
This obsession with things being centred is just dumb.



It’s called the rule of thirds, and is a far more interesting visual.

Complain about the time it took, quality of finishes, whatever… but Walt being off centre is purposeful and works.
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Agree. Walt is off-center so that you can be in the center of your photo with him. It's not like this hasn't been done before. Here is a photo of the John B. Stetson bench/statue at Stetson University just 60 miles northeast of Epcot.

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