News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

[Phicinfan]

The decision to tear down was not based on the viability of the existing structure. That Disney was working on reusing the facility is information that has been made public and evidence against these claims of “issues”.

Granted, does not change the fact everyone is jumping on removing the existing for something similar, totally forgetting that was not the original plan, and in the original plan they were to move to the new structure so the old had to go. Reality is just that, reality.

You are making up reasons, attributing then to Disney and then saying it’s ridiculous that others disagree with your reasons you have falsely attributed to Disney.

I am not making up anything. The fact the building was "viable" per some reports in now way explains what the costs might have been to redo and upgrade the existing.

I just love all the revisionist history in this place

 

[trainplane3]

Granted, does not change the fact everyone is jumping on removing the existing for something similar, totally forgetting that was not the original plan, and in the original plan they were to move to the new structure so the old had to go. Reality is just that, reality.

I am not making up anything. The fact the building was "viable" per some reports in now way explains what the costs might have been to redo and upgrade the existing.

I just love all the revisionist history in this place

The CC buildings are some of the most simple buildings out there. They were essentially convention centers, designed for open spaces and easy upgrades. You could easily clear them out like they did with CC to Innoventions and Innoventions to Creations because they were designed that way. Major infrastructure was in limited parts of the buildings since they were giant flex spaces. You can't have much easier buildings to overhaul then these ones.

In some cases a demo and rebuild would be cheaper (like UoE to GotG would've been, I believe) but this is not one of those cases.

 

[Phicinfan]

The CC buildings are some of the most simple buildings out there. They were essentially convention centers, designed for open spaces and easy upgrades. You could easily clear them out like they did with CC to Innoventions and Innoventions to Creations because they were designed that way. Major infrastructure was in limited parts of the buildings since they were giant flex spaces. You can't have much easier buildings to overhaul then these ones.

In some cases a demo and rebuild would be cheaper (like UoE to GotG would've been, I believe) but this is not one of those cases.

Fair enough.
Appreciate the expertise.

I will give ground on rehab might have been cheaper, but not is you really wanted to build a 3 tier structure in the center of the area.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Granted, does not change the fact everyone is jumping on removing the existing for something similar, totally forgetting that was not the original plan, and in the original plan they were to move to the new structure so the old had to go. Reality is just that, reality.

I am not making up anything. The fact the building was "viable" per some reports in now way explains what the costs might have been to redo and upgrade the existing.

I just love all the revisionist history in this place

People are jumping on it because well before the Festival Center was cancelled it was known that it was a boondoggle. It didn’t survive its champion leaving because it never made sense.

Revisions? I was saying the same things nearly three years ago.

Again, fixing neglect does not require building something that is much more expensive, smaller, less functional and just sort of plopped down in a field.

Look at all that mold!

You don’t think it’s wise to pay expensive starchitects to design a smaller, more difficult to use, less adaptable building? What could be more contemporary Disney than unwisely spending huge sums of money?

 

[Phicinfan]

People are jumping on it because well before the Festival Center was cancelled it was known that it was a boondoggle. It didn’t survive its champion leaving because it never made sense.

Revisions? I was saying the same things nearly three years ago.

You know, I wanted to let this go, but no.

First your OPINION it was a boondoggle is quite honestly shown false. Why? Cause they demoed the building and area to make room for it. Just cause you feel its a boondoggle doesn't make it one.

Again, revisionist history.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You know, I wanted to let this go, but no.

First your OPINION it was a boondoggle is quite honestly shown false. Why? Cause they demoed the building and area to make room for it. Just cause you feel its a boondoggle doesn't make it one.

Again, revisionist history.

How does demolition demonstrate that it wasn’t a boondoggle? The plan was dropped after considerable expense when its champion no longer had a say. A strong, well defined plan that was already significantly designed should have been an easy thing to keep going. You’ve been provided with the reasoning, shown how it goes back years, and yet you claim it’s somehow a revision all while you can’t articulate these “issues” that have supposedly come to light.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Per whom? I have to assume you all have seen quotes that show it was cheaper to rehab?
And while we are at it, lets totally ignore they had a totally different plan for the area for a totally new structure, but swerved after Covid.

Hindsight must be a wonderful tool for you all...

Please note as well, I am in no way for all the changes being made in Epcot, but I just get flabbergasted at all you "experts" who know with no data you are right vs. Disney.

Let's just say people I trust around here have said things contrary to what you're posturing. And since you said it, I'll second the previous request - What other issues did Communicore West have besides the smell?

You know, I wanted to let this go, but no.

First your OPINION it was a boondoggle is quite honestly shown false. Why? Cause they demoed the building and area to make room for it. Just cause you feel its a boondoggle doesn't make it one.

Again, revisionist history.

A nickel's worth of free advice - Stop shoveling. The hole you're digging is getting rather deep.

 

[MaximumEd]

So? Plans change. You have to react to what you want, and then react with situations change. It wasn't like the existing building didn't have major issues.

All I said was that I found it funny they tore down a building just to build another one. After that, me and some others got called “experts” and revisionists. Whatever, man. I don’t have a dog in this hunt. Leave me out of your quotes.

 

[Phicinfan]

How does demolition demonstrate that it wasn’t a boondoggle? The plan was dropped after considerable expense when its champion no longer had a say. A strong, well defined plan that was already significantly designed should have been an easy thing to keep going. You’ve been provided with the reasoning, shown how it goes back years, and yet you claim it’s somehow a revision all while you can’t articulate these “issues” that have supposedly come to light.

Well because they spent the money and demolished the building. Again, your personal views on the project does not deny the $$$$ and plans they had.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well because they spent the money and demolished the building. Again, your personal views on the project does not deny the $$$$ and plans they had.

By this reasoning HarmoniUS was a good idea even though they’re already planning to rip it out. Making a bad decision and starting to act on it doesn’t magically make it a good decision.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

What is being built now is not a duplicate to what was taken down. The open stage and such are the point there. While I agree they were short sighted with the original plan of the stool building, replacing the existing isn't all that bad.

I’m just thankful the plans changed, I was worried the building on stilts would ruin the view of spaceship earth from much of Word showcase. A new building with stages and useful demonstration space > an empty building >> another sight line issue at Epcot.

 

[marni1971]

The fact the building was "viable" per some reports in now way explains what the costs might have been to redo and upgrade the existing.

Less than 700 million.

 

[Incomudro]

I’m just thankful the plans changed, I was worried the building on stilts would ruin the view of spaceship earth from much of Word showcase. A new building with stages and useful demonstration space > an empty building >> another sight line issue at Epcot.

I agree, I like this outcome the best.
I didn't like the table top building at all, and I really like the new structure with the stage and all.
It's the best outcome for me.

 

[mysto]

What other issues did Communicore West have besides the smell?

What if, they couldn't find the leak? The only way to be really sure to find it is to dig up the whole area. You might as well prepare to replace the building if you were really committed to fixing that issue.

So just the smell alone may have been enough to demo it. They didn't tear down East.

 

[J4546]

i dig the new communicore plaza plans. multiple stages, meet n greets, etc....i think it looks great

 

[DCBaker]

Photos from today -

 

[Crazydisneyfanluke]

Is the new structure going to be 2 stories?

 

[tparris]

Is the new structure going to be 2 stories?

Yes. I’d assume they want it to more or less match the height of CC East

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Less than 700 million.

Was the other building going to cost $700 million?!?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yes. I’d assume they want it to more or less match the height of CC East

A story is not a measure of height.