News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

No Name

Well-Known Member
For regularly attending guests and folks under 30, I would agree. Otherwise, Epcot Center and MGM are alive and well in the public vernacular from my experience.
Yeah that’s completely fair if the person doesn’t visit frequently and/or pay attention to this stuff. It’s when I see very active APs or DVCers or even people on this board calling it MGM that I roll my eyes.
 

Haymarket2008

Well-Known Member
Yeah that’s completely fair if the person doesn’t visit frequently and/or pay attention to this stuff. It’s when I see very active APs or DVCers or even people on this board calling it MGM that I roll my eyes.

Idk, seems like something not worth getting mixed up about. It’s a nostalgia thing. Nothing wrong with letting people call something by a former name.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
Idk, seems like something not worth getting mixed up about. It’s a nostalgia thing. Nothing wrong with letting people call something by a former name.
Also, Hollywood Studios is an incredibly generic name. When I think of Hollywood Studios I think of... studios in Hollywood. That you can tour. I call it MGM because its easier. Unlike EPCOT, I don't even particularly long for old MGM - I miss GMR, but I love MMRR, and other then that I think the park has improved or at least stayed consistent over the years. Hollywood Studios just reeks of a soulless board room.

As for the new names for Future World, they're almost caricatures of modern Disney World in general and EPCOT in particular. Rather then work to develop some new unifying theme across the front of the park, they've slapped incredibly broad names on arbitrarily designated slices of the park, slices not actually distinguished by anything in the built landscape or by any element of geography. It's a mealy-mouthed corporate consultant band-aid to a problem that has existed for decades and that a recent, massive investment has done nothing to correct.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Also, Hollywood Studios is an incredibly generic name. When I think of Hollywood Studios I think of... studios in Hollywood. That you can tour. I call it MGM because its easier.
It's "Disney's Hollywood Studios." And previously it was "Disney-MGM Studios Park" (despite having very little "MGM" in the park).

It is not just a generic "Hollywood Studios" -- it belongs to and features the content of Disney-owned film studios.

And it was never just "MGM."

However, I still call it "Pangaea."
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
Also, Hollywood Studios is an incredibly generic name. When I think of Hollywood Studios I think of... studios in Hollywood. That you can tour. I call it MGM because its easier. Unlike EPCOT, I don't even particularly long for old MGM - I miss GMR, but I love MMRR, and other then that I think the park has improved or at least stayed consistent over the years. Hollywood Studios just reeks of a soulless board room.

As for the new names for Future World, they're almost caricatures of modern Disney World in general and EPCOT in particular. Rather then work to develop some new unifying theme across the front of the park, they've slapped incredibly broad names on arbitrarily designated slices of the park, slices not actually distinguished by anything in the built landscape or by any element of geography. It's a mealy-mouthed corporate consultant band-aid to a problem that has existed for decades and that a recent, massive investment has done nothing to correct.
THIS!!!!
World Discover
World Nature
World Celebration
World Showcase
and then a really ridiculous way of dividing the areas...and in my eyes made it seem so much more complicated than it ever needed to be...
 

James Alucobond

Well-Known Member
THIS!!!!
World Discover
World Nature
World Celebration
World Showcase
and then a really ridiculous way of dividing the areas...and in my eyes made it seem so much more complicated than it ever needed to be...
It's not terrible, but it really needed a more ambitious reorganization to make sense. PLAY! needed to go where Journey of Water is in order to preserve the area inside the monorail loop as World Celebration, and Imagination needed to switch to something nature-related with Journey of Water sitting between The Land and The Seas. The Odyssey could've been reassigned to Discovery even without a reinvisioning.
 

Cmdr_Crimson

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To me it sounds as if a caveman named them.

"Me going to World Discover!"
Let's not forget what "Project Gemini" would have called it...
epcot-discoveryland-project-gemini.jpg
 

Casper Gutman

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Honestly, Project Gemini (minus the Rollercoaster in SSE) may have been better than what we are getting. That's not saying much.
Yup. If getting Gemini meant giving up SSE, I’ll take the current meds. But Gemini without Time Racers seems more appealing then the park today. Robot Restaurant alone is more intriguing then the current redo.
 

Sir_Cliff

Well-Known Member
It's not terrible, but it really needed a more ambitious reorganization to make sense. PLAY! needed to go where Journey of Water is in order to preserve the area inside the monorail loop as World Celebration, and Imagination needed to switch to something nature-related with Journey of Water sitting between The Land and The Seas. The Odyssey could've been reassigned to Discovery even without a reinvisioning.
I'm also a bit ambivalent about the names. Don't find them terrible, but they also don't quite fit. Personally, I think they could have called the whole front of the park World Discovery with Communicore Plaza in the center and that would have been fine and avoided all the 'stranded' pavilions like Play and Imagination.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
Yup. If getting Gemini meant giving up SSE, I’ll take the current meds. But Gemini without Time Racers seems more appealing then the park today. Robot Restaurant alone is more intriguing then the current redo.

Yeah, Time Racers would have been worse than just about anything they've ever done to EPCOT, but most of the rest of Gemini looks more interesting than the current work.

The rainforest roller coaster had the potential to be really bad too, though. Depends on how it was designed and how much it dominated that area of the park -- if the whole thing was surrounded by lush greenery and you couldn't even see it, then sure. If it was large and towered over the pavilions, then no thanks. Not that it matters since they're never building it!
 

Sir_Cliff

Well-Known Member
Yeah, Time Racers would have been worse than just about anything they've ever done to EPCOT, but most of the rest of Gemini looks more interesting than the current work.

The rainforest roller coaster had the potential to be really bad too, though. Depends on how it was designed and how much it dominated that area of the park -- if the whole thing was surrounded by lush greenery and you couldn't even see it, then sure. If it was large and towered over the pavilions, then no thanks. Not that it matters since they're never building it!
Yeah, I'm also not entirely sure. There is the potential for some real clunkers in that project that might have even remade the land formally known as Future World in a more profound way than this project has ended up doing and not in a good way. Project Gemini certainly would have resulted in a more "busy" space, with Time Racers (I assume that coaster went outside of SSE at some point?), entering The Land under a roller coaster, and entering Test Track under what I assume is an elevated junior Autopia. It seems they wanted to get away from the area being organised around self-contained pavilions.
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I'm also not entirely sure. There is the potential for some real clunkers in that project that might have even remade the land formally known as Future World in a more profound way than this project has ended up doing and not in a good way. Project Gemini certainly would have resulted in a more "busy" space, with Time Racers (I assume that coaster went outside of SSE at some point?), entering The Land under a roller coaster, and entering Test Track under what I assume is an elevated junior Autopia. It seems they wanted to get away from the area being organised around self-contained pavilions.
And a Seas pavilion centered on… a mermaid?
 

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