News Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

HMF

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Well, it had to "speak" to modern audiences, who are too stupid to know what the world was like before the World Wide Web, or that copying texts 2000 years ago could be considered "the world's first backup network". :banghead: I think I lost a few brain cells because of those the first time I rode after the 2007 refurb (and I did plenty of losing brain cells on my own back in my 20's, so I need as many as I can get these days!), they were just so insulting of my intelligence.
Not to mention the Phoenician Alphabet really does not have much to do with the modern English Alphabet.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Not to mention the Phoenician Alphabet really does not have much to do with the modern English Alphabet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet

When alphabetic writing began in Greece, the letter forms used were similar but not identical to the Phoenician ones and vowels were added, because the Phoenician alphabet did not contain any vowels. There were also distinct variants of the writing system in different parts of Greece, primarily in how those Phoenician characters that did not have an exact match to Greek sounds were employed. The Ionic variant evolved into the standard Greek alphabet, and the Cumae variant into the Latin alphabet, which accounts for many of the differences between the two.​
 

ToTBellHop

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In the EAC tunnel?
Now that you mention it, I can't remember. Either EAC or the end where you see Nemo et. al. in the tank. Have to check again next time. I want to say I'm remembering it in the latter, though. Have to try looking back in both next time to be sure! Definitely saw blue windows behind me somewhere! I have less freedom for rule-breaking with twin 4-year olds in tow now (and Disney should be ashamed that my kids are 4 and already bored by the Nemo ride and would rather ride Living with the Land, which inversely is a source of pride for me!).
 

djkidkaz

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No, because that would've been a city several miles away. WDW was intended to have a single theme park in the far left corner.

I fully agree with the company that Walt's city never would've worked.

Isn't WDW as a whole essentially what Walt planned for EPCOT? WDW is basically a city where people live and work, there's recreation, it's a vacation destination, numerous forms of transportation to move people around. The only thing it is sort of lacking in would be the idea of trying out new technologies from different companies. But even the technology piece of it rings true to some extent with things like Magic Bands as an all in one device and how it might work in a city like environment.
 

lazyboy97o

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Isn't WDW as a whole essentially what Walt planned for EPCOT? WDW is basically a city where people live and work, there's recreation, it's a vacation destination, numerous forms of transportation to move people around. The only thing it is sort of lacking in would be the idea of trying out new technologies from different companies. But even the technology piece of it rings true to some extent with things like Magic Bands as an all in one device and how it might work in a city like environment.
Lots of people visiting is not an actual city with residents and an actual urban form.
 

RoysCabin

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Isn't WDW as a whole essentially what Walt planned for EPCOT? WDW is basically a city where people live and work, there's recreation, it's a vacation destination, numerous forms of transportation to move people around. The only thing it is sort of lacking in would be the idea of trying out new technologies from different companies. But even the technology piece of it rings true to some extent with things like Magic Bands as an all in one device and how it might work in a city like environment.

In a way, though a lot of the talk about that was often done by higher ups at Disney in the 70s to justify not building the EPCOT city, given that the city proposal was the reason for much of the power granted to Disney via the Reedy Creek Improvement District legislation. Early WDW did carry on some of that vision, though, in the form of new tech being used in areas like in-resort telecommunication, garbage collection/disposal, building codes, transportation, and other concepts that made it a cut above (and lead to David Brinkley telling his audience "don't laugh" when he did a report on people suggesting Disney go into the urban planning world).

Since the Eisner era, though, I'd argue much of that got shelved or at least de-emphasized as it became clear that Disney was going to use the Florida property to expand their theme park business and not a lot else (not an indictment, just how things went); that can be seen in things like the monorail not getting an extension since EPCOT Center opened, or the move toward tech like Magic Bands, which have less to do with tech that could be universally applied to a typical urban environment.
 

Kamikaze

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Isn't WDW as a whole essentially what Walt planned for EPCOT? WDW is basically a city where people live and work, there's recreation, it's a vacation destination, numerous forms of transportation to move people around. The only thing it is sort of lacking in would be the idea of trying out new technologies from different companies. But even the technology piece of it rings true to some extent with things like Magic Bands as an all in one device and how it might work in a city like environment.

Not at all. While the E.P.C.O.T. plans had a theme park in them, it was going to be an actual city first and foremost. Look at what the Progress City model actually is/was: http://www.imagineeringdisney.com/blog/2010/7/22/a-look-at-the-progress-city-model-then-and-now.html
Very little to do with a 'vacation kingdom of the world'.
 

Kamikaze

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In a way, though a lot of the talk about that was often done by higher ups at Disney in the 70s to justify not building the EPCOT city, given that the city proposal was the reason for much of the power granted to Disney via the Reedy Creek Improvement District legislation. Early WDW did carry on some of that vision, though, in the form of new tech being used in areas like in-resort telecommunication, garbage collection/disposal, building codes, transportation, and other concepts that made it a cut above (and lead to David Brinkley telling his audience "don't laugh" when he did a report on people suggesting Disney go into the urban planning world).

Since the Eisner era, though, I'd argue much of that got shelved or at least de-emphasized as it became clear that Disney was going to use the Florida property to expand their theme park business and not a lot else (not an indictment, just how things went); that can be seen in things like the monorail not getting an extension since EPCOT Center opened, or the move toward tech like Magic Bands, which have less to do with tech that could be universally applied to a typical urban environment.

Moving away from trying to become an actual city was a good financial move, however. If Walt had lived we would have probably just MK and the parks would be run by some other company because Disney would have gone out of business trying to build and run an actual city.

Some can even argue that Celebration was the 90s interpretation of what Walt dreamed...and what they thought wouldwork.

It was definitely trying to follow through on Walt's vision without getting out of control. A small planned community.
 

RoysCabin

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Moving away from trying to become an actual city was a good financial move, however. If Walt had lived we would have probably just MK and the parks would be run by some other company because Disney would have gone out of business trying to build and run an actual city.

Certainly a good chance of that happening, which is likely why they quickly backed away from the idea after Walt's death.

Still, despite moving away from the actual city construction, I do miss the era of WED being around and taking chances on such technology and integrating them into WDW itself (or even being contracted out to build such tech in real world application, such as the PeopleMover in the Houston Int'l Airport). Just one of the big factors that really set Disney apart from everybody else, and made WDW so unique as a resort/property.
 

Bocabear

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Moving away from trying to become an actual city was a good financial move, however. If Walt had lived we would have probably just MK and the parks would be run by some other company because Disney would have gone out of business trying to build and run an actual city.



It was definitely trying to follow through on Walt's vision without getting out of control. A small planned community.
they just looked back for the design inspiration rather than making it look futuristic... The original idea was pretty slick, community wide intranet, integrated school, using visionary architects to design the public buildings...
 

Kamikaze

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they just looked back for the design inspiration rather than making it look futuristic... The original idea was pretty slick, community wide intranet, integrated school, using visionary architects to design the public buildings...

E.P.C.O.T. was never about looking futuristic, though. It was about a city that was built on new and upcoming technologies. Design choices such as look are something else entirely.
 

Bocabear

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E.P.C.O.T. was never about looking futuristic, though. It was about a city that was built on new and upcoming technologies. Design choices such as look are something else entirely.
but EPCOT WAS futuristic looking...forward thinking design, forward thinking technology...Forward means, heading into the future...in advance of the current day.....Look at the illustrations and models built...I don't believe you will find one faux spanish colonial or victorian piece of architecture...It was the Community Of Tomorrow...not the community of last week...
 

larandtra

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I think its a matter of semantics. Whatever they do to revamp and reimagine the FW end of Epcot, just keep it within the scope of the original ideas, even if IPs become a part of it, and most purists will be ok with that.
 

Kamikaze

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but EPCOT WAS futuristic looking...forward thinking design, forward thinking technology...Forward means, heading into the future...in advance of the current day.....Look at the illustrations and models built...I don't believe you will find one faux spanish colonial or victorian piece of architecture...It was the Community Of Tomorrow...not the community of last week...

Actually, there IS a Tiki Bar in the model.

You're right about it being forward-looking in tech and design - and thats what design was for the 60s, making everything 'Jetson-y'. Thats no longer really what we think the future looks like.
 

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