Tha Realest
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The best way to reduce crowding and congestion at MK is to remind people Disneyland exists
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I mean..... you're not wrong.
It would have worked a lot better if half of that resort was not a garbage park.
Rich Brownn
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EPIC is opening with at least 14 rides and indoor shows. That doesn't even count M&G, outdoor shows or any other events.
It’s not anymore. DCA has more quality attractions than any of the non castle parks at WDW. If you asked me what non castle park I would want to spend 1 day at, my first choice would be Epcot, but choice #2 would be DCA. AK and DHS are half day parks. DCA is a full day park.
Agreed. It's no Disneyland, but it has way more to offer than the 3 non-MK parks at WDW.
the_rich
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It's definitely a more relaxing vacation than wdw. While I enjoy being in the bubble, I do appreciate the cheaper hotels and less traveling in California. And yes the weather is definitely better, much less humidity.
Attendance disagrees.
The recent ground up built attractions such as Webslingers certainly did not help.
It is a short walk directly across from the second most visited theme park on the planet, and people don't want to go more than they want to go to Universal Studios Hollywood and others.
the_rich
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I dont think its a half day park anymore. I really enjoyed webslingers and the campus in general. The new e ticket is just gonna elevate it. The only part of the park I don't enjoy is past toy story mania. Plus it has one of the best lands disney has ever built.
BrianLo
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You are really misconstruing these numbers, I think you are too distracted by the numerical rankings from that website chart.
MK attendance was down about 40% from 2019-21, AK 48%, Epcot 38% and DHS 26%. The Magic Kingdom in gross attendance lost MORE guests between 2019 -> 2021 attendance data than actually attended the other parks in their entirety. There are almost 9 million people missing from MK's usual attendance figures.
USO was down only 18% and IOA 12.5%.
What everyone else is trying to patiently explain is that losing less guests changed the rankings, but was overtly policy based and hard to gauge. For even more extreme policy based 2021 restrictions, no one in their right mind thinks USO will continue to overtake Disneyland and Tokyo Disney/Sea. That's pure lunacy.
That said, probably IOA has gained attendance share, most definitely DHS has and probably DAK has lost some positioning. Whether that translates in 2022 is anyone's guess, but there's a reason AECOM actually didn't change the rankings in the 2021 figures, because they knew they were time capsule pandemic related nonsense data.
BrianLo
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Mario is an excellent IP and Encanto seems like it's destined to be another strong evergreen IP. Both should be attendance drivers.
Not everything has to be a competition, but if it is Pokemon is likely the strongest gold standard. Pokemon being a trifecta in media, video games and a wide variety of successful merchandise. Mario is poised to make that jump.
Not everything has to be a competition, but if it is Pokemon is likely the strongest gold standard. Pokemon being a trifecta in media, video games and a wide variety of successful merchandise. Mario is poised to make that jump.
Centauri Space Station
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More quantity yes. Quality? Well it’s more than half flat rides and some are thematic question marks like Incredicoaster or Mission breakout.
No Name
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It wouldn’t matter, the vast majority of people will never weigh the two as options. They’re not going to choose to go to a smaller theme park resort that’s farther away, and that’s not advertised by the company or familiar among their friends/family. Universal or SeaWorld are the alternatives.
HMF
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In my opinion DCA was fixed in 2012. Then they broke it again with GOTG and Pixar Pier.
Thematic fit doesn’t factor into my enjoyment of rides.
5 star rides (perfect or near perfect, could ride these all day)
Epcot: 3 (Soarin, Spaceship Earth, Cosmic Rewind)
DHS: 4 (Rise, ToT, Mickey, Mania)
AK: 3 (FoP, Safari, Everest)
DCA: 5 (RSR, GotG, Soarin, Mania, GRR)
4 star Rides (great rides, must do once every visit ideally reride and yes some of the WDW rides here are affected by nostalgia and probably over ranked )
Epcot: 7 (Rat, Frozen, TT, AA, Figment, Nemo, Three Cabs)
DHS: 4 (RnRC, Slinky, ST, Muppets)
AK: 4 (FotLK, Nemo, Dino, NRJ)
DCA: 4 (Incridicoaster, Mermaid, Monsters Inc, Webslingers)
Totals:
Epcot: (3x5)+(7x4)=43
DHS: (4x5)+(4x4)=36
AK: (3x5)+(4x4)=31
DCA: (5x5)+(4x4)=41
Only because of my nostalgia goggles for some Epcot Rides does DCA not beat every Florida Park, and it still has more 5 star attractions (nearly double) then all 3 of them.
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MrPromey
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I get that. I absolutely do.
Do you get my point?
Even in a pandemic, subject to the exact same restrictions as the other three, MK was still the #1 park by MILLIONS.
Despite consistently being the first one to fill up and be without availability, it still held it's own.
By your very own numbers, AK, the one that consistently had the most open availability, couldn't.
Why?
Why when people were being turned away from the MK and pushed to the other three, did the other three not do better?
You want to have a real discussion and explain things to me, explain that.
Then explain why the TDO should be focusing on adding more to the MK right now rather than falling over themselves to get the others even remotely close to attraction/show parity?
Won't something like the BBTM project just widen the gap between the only Disney park in Florida that appears could survive on its own and the other three?
California Adventure, as derided as it is, has more attractions and shows than any of the other three in Florida and it's newer. How did that happen?
ToTBellHop
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But Guardians is a great ride…In my opinion DCA was fixed in 2012. Then they broke it again with GOTG and Pixar Pier.
Pixar Pier was entirely unnecessary.
doctornick
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You have 4 “five star” rides for DHS.