News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

DisneyDodo

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There are too many people inside a confined space. Make the space bigger, but keep the same number of people, and there is now space.

The reservation system allows them to see if a park is low in sales. They can lower the prices, create an event, or reduce reservations at one park to move them to another. If MK is sold out, are you going to sit in your room, or go to EPCOT? It also allows them to determine staffing...EPCOT is low on attendance today, so move that staff to MK.
I understand all that. But my point is that the number of guests entering MK on a given day is not determined by the park’s max capacity (with a few exceptions, like Christmas). It’s primarily driven by demand. If you add more attractions to MK, it’s popularity relative to the other parks will increase. I still think it would help crowding at MK to an extent, but building up the other parks would probably help more, and is more sustainable long term.
 

DCLcruiser

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I understand all that. But my point is that the number of guests entering MK on a given day is not determined by the park’s max capacity (with a few exceptions, like Christmas). It’s primarily driven by demand. If you add more attractions to MK, it’s popularity relative to the other parks will increase. I still think it would help crowding at MK to an extent, but building up the other parks would probably help more, and is more sustainable long term.
There isn't a demand problem. They are raising prices higher and higher bc the demand is non stop.

If standby lines are long, people are not spending money. They need more lands, more stores/kiosks and more rides so that you are on a ride for 5 minutes, and then go back to spending.

People want to be at MK more than the others. So MK reservation system is manipulated regularly.
 

_caleb

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I’m down with it if it happens. It’s definitely a heck of a lot more thematically cohesive than shoving Star Wars behind Frontierland that’s for sure and if this wraps around to Fantasyland that’s perfect for the villains. You’ll just have to make a nice transition from Encanto.
But Batuu is the Frontier–of the galaxy!
 

DisneyDodo

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There isn't a demand problem. They are raising prices higher and higher bc the demand is non stop.

If standby lines are long, people are not spending money. They need more lands, more stores/kiosks and more rides so that you are on a ride for 5 minutes, and then go back to spending.

People want to be at MK more than the others. So MK reservation system is manipulated regularly.
I don’t think there’s a demand problem, but everything is relative. Attendance at WDW has generally (very roughly) followed a 40%-20%-20%-20% MK-Ep-DHS-DAK pattern, and I’ve seen no evidence to indicate that the reservation system has drastically changed the distribution (or we would have seen wait times markedly improve at some parks while getting much worse at others). The closer that distribution gets to 25-25-25-25, the more MK would benefit. I don’t think we will ever get there, but we would see movement in that direction with substantial investment into the three less popular parks.
 

James Alucobond

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“It’s a small world” looks like it is made of toys which transitions to Toy Story Playland.

Toys are like artifacts collected by Henry Mystic.

The bears of Grizzly Gulch think Henry Mystic tastes delicious.

That all seems perfectly cohesive.
The Wire Reaction GIF
 

yensidtlaw1969

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I’m down with it if it happens. It’s definitely a heck of a lot more thematically cohesive than shoving Star Wars behind Frontierland that’s for sure and if this wraps around to Fantasyland that’s perfect for the villains. You’ll just have to make a nice transition from Encanto.
It doesn't seem that Villains would connect to Fantasyland - more like Liberty Square.
 

DCLcruiser

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There's a better chance of Mr Chapek serving popcorn at a cart in magic kingdom to help with staffing before they lower prices.
They already do it. The base ticket is $109 for a single day, yet a single day ticket on October 8/9th is $154, $149 on 10/10/22 and $139 on 10/11/22. Attendance is less on Tuesday than Sat/Sunday, or even Monday, so the price is lower to entice you to go on Tuesday instead.

If demand started to slow they could reduce the tickets closer and closer to $109, or offer additional discounts. Resort discounts also play into this.
 

Animaniac93-98

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Lets appreciate the fact that Liberty Square, or even Haunted Mansion as we know it, would never be built today.

Not even if it were a Sleepy Hollow land, because The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad is not a franchise and this is the same company that can't even be bothered to show some variation of Disney's Halloween Treat once a year anymore.
 

erasure fan1

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They already do it. The base ticket is $109 for a single day, yet a single day ticket on October 8/9th is $154, $149 on 10/10/22 and $139 on 10/11/22. Attendance is less on Tuesday than Sat/Sunday, or even Monday, so the price is lower to entice you to go on Tuesday instead.

If demand started to slow they could reduce the tickets closer and closer to $109, or offer additional discounts. Resort discounts also play into this.
Well that's a bit different. First, that is seasonal pricing. Based not around current demand, but what was historically busier times of the year. Second, they didn't lower anything. They raised all the other times. They will not lower anything, that's not their business model.
 

DCLcruiser

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Well that's a bit different. First, that is seasonal pricing. Based not around current demand, but what was historically busier times of the year. Second, they didn't lower anything. They raised all the other times. They will not lower anything, that's not their business model.
Seasonal pricing = Demand pricing

Charging less on Monday than Sunday. They could make the entire month $154/day.

Ticket sales are online. If they look ahead and see, hmm, March is a little light this year on sales, let's lower it $10/day...or they can also offer a Figment popcorn bowl that month. Now more locals start to show up in March. Or, offer a 30% discount on super expensive hotel rooms for March 2023. Or a Sun & Fun Florida Residents 20% discount. All of those decrease the price of going.
 
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fgmnt

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It doesn't seem that Villains would connect to Fantasyland - more like Liberty Square.
one the things that made me think expansion here would never truly be on the horizon, are all of the work you would have to do to get this land ready for development. If you build into RoA, you need to fill and stabilize that land and replace the water reclamation area you are taking out + whatever else you are required to create as part of the expansion. If you maintain the Belle and the service canal you will need a pedestrian bridge to navigate that. Depending on how you build this out, railroad will require reprofiling, pedestrian over or underpasses, and/or an at-grade crossing (unlikely). Show buildings will likely be outside the rail line and would require elements to get you from the land hub into the attraction building.

If you build something big back there, you can’t make it a dead end. If you loop it back through HM/LS, you will end up with a bigger traffic nightmare than you have now.
Route it behind HM? Then you are potentially talking about expanding the roof of the main part of the park as a hidden bridge over the entrance to the Utilidor system, and (hopefully) a lot of on stage work to mask that that is where you are. Does that mean service disruptions to the system?

If you want to take a bite at this apple, you better take many big bites before it gets all brown and sad looking.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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one the things that made me think expansion here would never truly be on the horizon, are all of the work you would have to do to get this land ready for development. If you build into RoA, you need to fill and stabilize that land and replace the water reclamation area you are taking out + whatever else you are required to create as part of the expansion. If you maintain the Belle and the service canal you will need a pedestrian bridge to navigate that. Depending on how you build this out, railroad will require reprofiling, pedestrian over or underpasses, and/or an at-grade crossing (unlikely). Show buildings will likely be outside the rail line and would require elements to get you from the land hub into the attraction building.

If you build something big back there, you can’t make it a dead end. If you loop it back through HM/LS, you will end up with a bigger traffic nightmare than you have now.
Route it behind HM? Then you are potentially talking about expanding the roof of the main part of the park as a hidden bridge over the entrance to the Utilidor system, and (hopefully) a lot of on stage work to mask that that is where you are. Does that mean service disruptions to the system?

If you want to take a bite at this apple, you better take many big bites before it gets all brown and sad looking.
The only thing against this assessment is that Disney already did most of this for Galaxy's Edge at Disneyland and made relatively short work of it. Conditions are a little different in Florida, especially with regards to the River, but I can't imagine they're particularly concerned. If they want to get back there they'll just go for it.

It wouldn't be a 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea-level reclaimation, and that really only took a year anyway.
 

Dranth

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Agreed. I just never enjoyed AE/SGE or even Laugh Floor. They didn't match Tomorrowland for me.
I know a lot of people feel the same way but it always makes me sad when I see this.

AE was amazing and a very different approach for Disney at the time. It was inventive, corny enough to be fun without being over the top, unique and perfect for the younger crowd who liked to be a little scared and that is something that is hard to find anywhere on property. In the end, putting in the "kiddie" park killed it long term. So many people that just ignored all of the warnings plastered all over and then complained.

SGE on the other hand... flaming dumpster fire of a ride.
 

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