Patricia Melton
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I really like this thought...but I bet the wind would blow it so it would just look like smoke and people would say it was a volcano smoking or whatever.
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Beast's Castle - Does it "work"?
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I really like this thought...but I bet the wind would blow it so it would just look like smoke and people would say it was a volcano smoking or whatever.
Patricia Melton
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Everyone needs to click on these images immediately...they are GORGEOUS.
The first one is Cinderella's Castle looking small because of perspective and the second one is the Beast's Castle looking the exact same size as Cinderella's Castle.
They both look exactly as real as one another and look about the same size. It really is all about angles!
Californian Elitist
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Beast's Castle isn't in the DLR version, but the DLP version.
unkadug
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Disneyhead'71
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First of all, the forced perspective doesn't work at all in the traditional Disney sense. Traditionally, Disney uses forced perspective to trick the eye into seeing something that is not real in a realistic perspective. It doesn't work at all here. But that is because it is not supposed to. Beast's and Eric's Castle aren't supposed to look real. They are supposed to look like an illustration ripped from a Storybook. This is WDI's most elaborate version of the Storybook Canal concept. Originally the area was labeled Storybook Forest to go with Storybook Circus. And if you know that they weren't going for realism and understand what they were going for you'll realize how brilliant and risky that decision was.
So no, the forced perspective does not work into tricking the eye into believing that it's a huge castle miles away. But work perfectly as stepping into a Storybook.
So no, the forced perspective does not work into tricking the eye into believing that it's a huge castle miles away. But work perfectly as stepping into a Storybook.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
How can you look at the pictures above and say that it does not work?
Disneyhead'71
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As a professional photographer I can tell you how easy it is to scale 2 objects of vastly different size to appear to be the same in 2 separate pictures. There is no need to reference Cindy's shack to determine whether Beast's works. It doesn't. And neither does Prince Eric's.
But then again, it's not supposed to.
easy peasy. The question is "does the forced perspective work in real life?"How can you look at the pictures above and say that it does not work?
As a professional photographer I can tell you how easy it is to scale 2 objects of vastly different size to appear to be the same in 2 separate pictures. There is no need to reference Cindy's shack to determine whether Beast's works. It doesn't. And neither does Prince Eric's.
But then again, it's not supposed to.
wedenterprises
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Sorry I'm stupid when it comes to posting links and pictures but here is the URL http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc2cavb0FV1rp7nc4o1_500.jpg
Patricia Melton
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Okay, that castle in Paris is GORGEOUS...but to me it looks like the castle AFTER the magic happened at the end. Remember when Belle kissed the Beast and the magic fireworks came down? The towers all turned from drab and full of monsters and gargoyles to having beautiful angels and glorious statues of nymphs and things everywhere, with gold all over the place and sparkling white marble.
So, to me, that picture of the castle miniature in Paris is AFTER the movie is over...and the castle that was built in New Fantasyland is BEFORE the magic happened to turn everything from ugly to beautiful again.
Since the bridge and the castle entrance still have the gargoyles and minotaurs and things and they don't have the nymphs and beautiful statues...then I think the castle is supposed to be from that "spooky" time when everyone was cursed.
wedenterprises
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Even still, it lacks detail and quality. It appears to be made out of cardboard.
Good insight, though! You nailed it.
Patricia Melton
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I just popped the Beauty & the Beast DVD into the TV to see the castle transform at the end...and now I am being sucked into watching the movie from the beginning again! I just can't help it!
I had no intention of watching this tonight and had other things to do, but the magic in this movie is so powerful and this thread has inspired me to watch it again. My husband is going to be mad that I am humming "be our guest!" for the next few days!
Disneyhead'71
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My point is that if Disney was actually going for realism through forced perspective, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The EXTREME forced perspective isn't for realism. It was a daring choice and I believe that they succeeded spectacularly at giving the "a page ripped from a Storybook" look. Everything from the scale to the color palette is designed to look like an illustration.
I don't see it that way at all. That's a huge stretch. They were going for realism here. No doubt about it.
Disneyhead'71
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I disagree. And I believe that the proof is in the fact that IF the imagineers were going for realism there is no way they would allow other guests to get so very close to the elements that the realism is completely ruined for any guest viewing the scene. When the LM queue is full and extends past the arch to the tower, it is plain to see that the balcony railing around the tower is no more than 10 inches high. So either the folks seen in the queue are giants, or they were never going for realism. Same with the Castle Wall turrets. The balcony railings are mere inches high and are close enough to guests that they could touch them if you jumped. The ONLY way to get an even remotely realistic view is if the land was deserted of guests.
"Storybook" only refers to the idea that there are multiple stories being told within the land – not that the area is supposed too look like illustrations from a storybook. Imagineering's intent was absolutely for Beast's Castle to look like it is full scale, but that it is a long way away.
You're looking too hard for excuses. The elements are also either 30+ feet away from you (as in Beast's Castle) or 2-3 stories above you (like Eric's and the castle walls). The idea was for the scale to work as it does with the upper stories on the Main Street buildings and they thought the elements would be far enough away (either by distance or height) that the illusion would work. The imagineers would never be given a budget big enough to create Eric's Castle at full scale, so this was their best effort.
Disneyhead'71
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Take a look at this picture. Look at the juxtaposition between the people in the queue and balcony and railing. There is absolutely no way that the imagineers were going for realism. The railing is clearly not even knee high. Either the imagineer are REALLY REALLY bad at realism or that was never their intention. If they were going for realism there is no way they would have the parade of giants walking right underneath it.
wedenterprises
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No matter the creative intent, it still looks cheap and small.
Jones14
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. I visited New Fantasyland yesterday, and the entire forest was stunning. Cheap and small are the antithesis of the words I would use when describing its appearance.
wedenterprises
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I'm just talking about the castle. Everything else looks amazing.
