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peter11435

peter11435

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Ghostbuster626 said:
it was extremly grand and amazing there was nothing cheap about it, it was leaps and bounds ahead of any carnival or amusment park.
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The exact same thing can be said for nearly everything Disney has built to this day.
 
Ghostbuster626

Ghostbuster626

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peter11435 said:
The exact same thing can be said for nearly everything Disney has built to this day.
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I disagree. The rides that are built today like Mission: Space, dinorama, etc. are no where near as grand as they could be. Now adays everything is just half-a$$ed. Lets look at Expedition: Everest, great ride but from what I have been reading the 1 AA on the ride and the highlight of the attraction has a significant rate of malifunction, the blizzard effects were cut from the ride altogether, and they didnt even cover up the whole building to look like a mountain? I mean why is that? Matterhorn in california is covered all around. On top of that, it seems that most ideas for new rides come from Pixar. Apperantly WDI is unable to come up with new charecters like Figment, Skippy, Chairman Clench, Captain Rex, Nine Eyes, etc. So when they need to replace a ride they just tie it in to the latest pixar movie. Its really upseting to me and alot of other people. I mean look at the Submarine Voyage at Disneyland..there bringing it back WITH a finding nemo theme? WHAT DOES FINDING NEMO HAVE TO DO WITH TOMORROWLAND? I guess im ranting now and im sorry its just that im deeply troubled with the way WDI and Disney mangement hsa been thinking these past few years. It just seems that the quality of attractions and theming isnt a concern anymore.

I mean for example, how is Dinorama, Stich Great Escape, and Buzz Lightyear leaps and bounds ahead of the competition? And I know alot of you are going to disagree here but Spider-Man is a far superior attraction to Mission Space in both themeing and execution (not to mention fun factor).
 
peter11435

peter11435

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Ghostbuster626 said:
I disagree. The rides that are built today like Mission: Space, dinorama, etc. are no where near as grand as they could be. Now adays everything is just half-a$$ed. Lets look at Expedition: Everest, great ride but from what I have been reading the 1 AA on the ride and the highlight of the attraction has a significant rate of malifunction, the blizzard effects were cut from the ride altogether, and they didnt even cover up the whole building to look like a mountain? I mean why is that? Matterhorn in california is covered all around. On top of that, it seems that most ideas for new rides come from Pixar. Apperantly WDI is unable to come up with new charecters like Figment, Skippy, Chairman Clench, Captain Rex, Nine Eyes, etc. So when they need to replace a ride they just tie it in to the latest pixar movie. Its really upseting to me and alot of other people.
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I disagree with nearly everything you said here. WDI is perfectly capable of creating characters but unfortunately that is not what the public wants to see. Like it or not the public wants nemo and stitch. Everest is not even open yet so we shouldn't be talking about "significant rate of malfunction." You can't say the Blizzard effect was cut all together as you have no knowledge that they ever planned to have one. You have rumors but not knowledge. And to use Everest and half- (insert expletive) in the same sentence is absurd.
Ghostbuster626 said:
It just seems that the quality of attractions and theming isnt a concern anymore.
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Then you my friend must be blind. With very few exceptions quality and themeing are the most important concerns of WDI. To suggest otherwise is disrespectful of everyone at WDI.

Ghostbuster626 said:
I mean for example, how is Dinorama, Stich Great Escape, and Buzz Lightyear leaps and bounds ahead of the competition?
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Your original post did not say, "Leaps and bounds ahead of the competition," you said "leaps and bounds ahead of any carnival or amusement park." Those are two very different things. Dinorama, Stitch, and Buzz are leaps and bounds ahead of any carnival or amusement park. Against the competition you right. There are things at IOA and US that are superior to them, but why shouldn't there be. Those are not meant to be the top of the top when it comes to attractions. Not everything can be a ground breaking E-ticket. Again you have to have something for everyone. When Walt opened Disneyland there was no true competition. And just like in Disney parks today there were things in that park that were better than anything else anywhere in the world, but there were other minor attractions that were not. Dinorama, Stitch, and Buzz are all minor attractions.
 
Ghostbuster626

Ghostbuster626

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peter11435 said:
I disagree with nearly everything you said here. WDI is perfectly capable of creating characters but unfortunately that is not what the public wants to see. Like it or not the public wants nemo and stitch.
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I don't know where your coming up with this. Disney is making nemo and stitch rides because the movies there based on made money not because the public demanded it. Eisner and his amazing friends (and I guess WDI as well) seems to equate movie does good at box office = people want to see this in the theme parks instead of original rides. Nothing could be further from the truth. I mean Hitchikers Guide to The Galaxy is a HUGELY popular franchise and has millions of fans...but you wont see any charecters or attractions based on this property you know why? not because the public doesnt want to see it, its because the movie wasnt a big hit at the box office.
 
peter11435

peter11435

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Ghostbuster626 said:
I don't know where your coming up with this. Disney is making nemo and stitch rides because the movies there based on made money not because the public demanded it. Eisner and his amazing friends (and I guess WDI as well) seems to equate movie does good at box office = people want to see this in the theme parks instead of original rides. Nothing could be further from the truth. I mean Hitchikers Guide to The Galaxy is a HUGELY popular franchise and has millions of fans...but you wont see any charecters or attractions based on this property you know why? not because the public doesnt want to see it, its because the movie wasnt a big hit at the box office.
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What the heck are you talking about. If a movie (read nemo and stitch) does well at the box office and does well in merchandise/video sales, that means the public wants to see them. The reason Eisner and WDI equate "movie does good at box office with people want to see this in the theme parks" is because it is 100% accurate. To suggest otherwise is crazy. Think about it for a minute.
 
Ghostbuster626

Ghostbuster626

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peter11435 said:
What the heck are you talking about. If a movie (read nemo and stitch) does well at the box office and does well in merchandise/video sales, that means the public wants to see them. The reason Eisner and WDI equate movie does good at box office with people want to see this in the theme parks is because it is 100% accurate. To suggest otherwise is crazy. Think about it for a minute.
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Well...er..I still think there going overboard.
 
ballewclan

ballewclan

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Ghostbuster626 said:
I don't know where your coming up with this. Disney is making nemo and stitch rides because the movies there based on made money not because the public demanded it. Eisner and his amazing friends (and I guess WDI as well) seems to equate movie does good at box office = people want to see this in the theme parks instead of original rides. Nothing could be further from the truth. I mean Hitchikers Guide to The Galaxy is a HUGELY popular franchise and has millions of fans...but you wont see any charecters or attractions based on this property you know why? not because the public doesnt want to see it, its because the movie wasnt a big hit at the box office.
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Um do you realize what you just said? Big box office sales may mean that the public doesnt want to see it? :lookaroun

EDIT: woooops, peter already said it...better at that
 
Ghostbuster626

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ballewclan said:
Um do you realize what you just said? Big box office sales may mean that the public doesnt want to see it? :lookaroun

EDIT: woooops, peter already said it...better at that
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What I was trying to say was just because a movie does well doesnt necessarily mean people who visit the theme parks want to see it. I mean Sin City made a ton of money at the box office and its a disney produced movie but do people visiting theme parks want to go on a Sin City ride? or take photos with sin city charecters?

My big problem with rides based on popular movies is that they are now starting to override what makes sense theming wise. Inredibles, CARS, and Monsters Inc. have no place in Tomorrowland but yet here they come because the movies are popular and I guess that must mean that audiances dont want original rides or theming. They supposedly just want to go on rides based on these movies be damned if it makes sense or not in the land.
 
peter11435

peter11435

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Ghostbuster626 said:
What I was trying to say was just because a movie does well doesnt necessarily mean people who visit the theme parks want to see it. I mean Sin City made a ton of money at the box office and its a disney produced movie but do people visiting theme parks want to go on a Sin City ride? or take photos with sin city charecters?
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Now your really starting to stretch. Are you even reading what you post. I mean honestly reread what you just wrote.

If a Disney animated/family movie does well at the box office then yes that means people want to see them at the parks. Trying to compare Finding Nemo and Sin City is absurd.


Ghostbuster626 said:
My big problem with rides based on popular movies is that they are now starting to override what makes sense theming wise. Inredibles, CARS, and Monsters Inc. have no place in Tomorrowland but yet here they come because the movies are popular and I guess that must mean that audiances dont want original rides or theming. They supposedly just want to go on rides based on these movies be damned if it makes sense or not in the land.
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There is no official information that the Incredibles, Cars, or Monsters will be added to Tomorrowland. That said they don't fit in any worse than if You had Wings, Dreamflight, or the raceway.
 
ballewclan

ballewclan

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Ghostbuster626 said:
What I was trying to say was just because a movie does well doesnt necessarily mean people who visit the theme parks want to see it. I mean Sin City made a ton of money at the box office and its a disney produced movie but do people visiting theme parks want to go on a Sin City ride? or take photos with sin city charecters?

My big problem with rides based on popular movies is that they are now starting to override what makes sense theming wise. Inredibles, CARS, and Monsters Inc. have no place in Tomorrowland but yet here they come because the movies are popular and I guess that must mean that audiances dont want original rides or theming. They supposedly just want to go on rides based on these movies be damned if it makes sense or not in the land.
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Well Sin City was an adult movie and while i think it would be a good ride, i dont think it would fit into WDW...actually it might fit MGM just if it was toned town a bit.

I completely agree with the theming but someone already said that disney has to make money too, and if stitch in TL will make some money to fund an Expedition Everest type ride, then I'm ok with it...except I'm not because stitch replaced a great ride.
 
Ghostbuster626

Ghostbuster626

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ballewclan said:
Well Sin City was an adult movie and while i think it would be a good ride, i dont think it would fit into WDW...actually it might fit MGM just if it was toned town a bit.

I completely agree with the theming but someone already said that disney has to make money too, and if stitch in TL will make some money to fund an Expedition Everest type ride, then I'm ok with it...except I'm not because stitch replaced a great ride.
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Look Disney went some 50 years without having to comprise theme and quality to make money. I highly doubt Eisner was like "ok we need to build a garbage attraction (stitch) to fund the construction of a good attraction". I agree there needs to be a balance between e-tickets and a,b,c,d tickets...but can they all at least be of quality and be cohesive and make sense and be fun?
 
Interruption?

Interruption?

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Ghostbuster626 said:
Look Disney went some 50 years without having to comprise theme and quality to make money. I highly doubt Eisner was like "ok we need to build a garbage attraction (stitch) to fund the construction of a good attraction". I agree there needs to be a balance between e-tickets and a,b,c,d tickets...but can they all at least be of quality and be cohesive and make sense and be fun?
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You know, you could always, oh, I don't know, NOT GO, if you don't think it's worth your money.
 
wannab@dis

wannab@dis

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Ghostbuster626 said:
*coughtikiroomunderNEWmanagementcough*

Lets all sing the Tiki Room rap because you know thats SO HIP.
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Great show! We see it every trip, sometimes more than once. :wave:

In my opinion, it's better than the previous version.
 

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