Bad News For EISNER(Good News for Us)

[DisneyFan 2000]

This thread has so much potential. It could turn up being either a political argument or a Eisner vs Roy (who will win) argument. :lookaroun


I was so disappointed. I thought Eisner was just fired.... Oh well....

 

[LoriMistress]

The CEO is not going to kick out Eisner for not distribuing Moore's movie. Michael Moore is a nut job, and is just like every other politican he cries about.

 

[Shaman]

You know one of the things I learned from F-911...the prez doesn't have a very good golf swing...:lookaroun

Disney made a good call with F-911...a costly call...they will lose out on 100 mill...but it was still a good call...it upholds the clean/neutral Disney "image"...and thats a good thing...right?

:lookaroun

 

[KevinPage]

You could tell the Board of Directors that there is a "fault line" under their office building and they wouldn't budge. :brick: :brick: :brick:

 

[imagineer99]

STOP

You are not the first to pass this way...

A POLITICAL THREAD IS ABREWING! :zipit: :zipit:

 

[slappy magoo]

It shouldn't be a problem combining the political angle from the financial angle of this documentary. After all, Cheney keeps getting kickbacks from Halliburton, a company that is apparently doing quite well with the current sociopolitical climate that Cheney helped create, so why can't Disney make money off a movie that also points out how Bush's railroaded regime has created a climate of fear that friends of Bush can profit from? This way, people make money on BOTH sides of the issue?

But I digress...

I own a tiny little bit of Disney stock. Lots of people own MUCH more stock, and if I were in their shoes, I'd be mad as Aych Ee Double Hockey Sticks that the head honcho turned down a 6 million dollar film that's on track to gross over 100 mill domestic, before video & PPV.

But of course, most of the people who own a lot of Disney stock tend to be the very people who'd chum around with Bush, support Bush, and have a stock portfolio that blows others out of the water. My Disney stock is a speck on the wall compared to THEIR Disney stock, and their Disney stock is a speck on the wall compared to ALL their other holdings. They'd be just the sort who'd be willing to lose a few dollars per share if it meant keeping a point of view that differed from their own out of the theaters. I'm glad they failed on that point, and I only hopeas many people see this movie as possible, both to see Bush for what he really is, and to show Eisner for what HE really is for not releasing this doc. Befuddled fools.

 

[CaptainMichael]

Documentaries are about truth and reality. Farenheit 9/11 is a fictional propoganda film. Anyone can edit film to their advantage. Example: A football team has a wonderful game, but the evening news only shows the plays that went wrong and you didn't watch the game. It appears that team could not have possibly won, but you are wrong because the news only showed what they wanted to. Michael Moore edits this stuff to his advantage, and sadly, there are many Bush-haters out there that are gullible enough to believe it. How can someone like Michael Moore who dropped out of college call President Bush an idiot. I don't care what political party you are associated with, it takes an intelligent person to become the President of the United States of America. I respect Michael Eisner for dropping this film.

 

[GoofMaul]

He is still the leader of the U.S. It wouldn't hurt for you to show respect.

Respect is earned not taken for granted.

Michael Moore who dropped out of college

Bill Gates dropped out of college before founding Microsoft. And many other successful people either dropped out or did not attend college. College is not a measure of intelligence.

I don't care what political party you are associated with, it takes an intelligent person to become the President of the United States of America.

Not True, but lets work with it...intelligence also does not equal morality.

It is difficult to swallow that the same country that I come from , which also has the happiest place on earth, is considered by the people of many other countries to be the biggest threat to peace. I am not talking about rogue nations, but countries we consider our allies. In an unscientific poll by Time Europe it found that 87% of 700,000 voters consider the U.S. a bigger threat than Iraq and North Korea. Yeah because it is unscientific it may be skewed some, but 87%? Americans need to wake up to the fact that people from other countries are very concerned with the direction and actions of our country.

 

[slappy magoo]

Documentaries are about truth and reality. Farenheit 9/11 is a fictional propoganda film. Anyone can edit film to their advantage. Example: A football team has a wonderful game, but the evening news only shows the plays that went wrong and you didn't watch the game. It appears that team could not have possibly won, but you are wrong because the news only showed what they wanted to. Michael Moore edits this stuff to his advantage, and sadly, there are many Bush-haters out there that are gullible enough to believe it. How can someone like Michael Moore who dropped out of college call President Bush an idiot. I don't care what political party you are associated with, it takes an intelligent person to become the President of the United States of America. I respect Michael Eisner for dropping this film.

You may have answered this previously, but have you seen the movie?

You don't have to answer. You don't have to see it. I just find it difficult to debate the merits of a movie with someone who hasn't seen it.

And for those who complain about superlative editing being used to distort "the truth" and therefore refuse to see the movie, I'd challenge them to LISTEN to the movie. Or find a transcript.

I know a lot has been made about the audio taken from the events of 9/11 without showing video being powerful. This is NOT why I suggest that people listen to the movie or read the transcript.

There are, whether you like to admit it or not, facts in the movie. Facts about who Bush & Cheney has aligned themselves with now and in the past, and how those people are benefiting, profiting, from their alignment. Especially people in oil & defense. Facts about how we went to war with Iraq based on the belief that there were WMD without any credible evidence, and how the "liberal" media never collectively asked to see the evidence (our president told us there were WMD and that was good enough for us).

You may choose to denounce F9-11 for being propaganda, even though during WWII plenty of pro-war propaganda was being produced, including Wat Disney's important and effective "Victory Through Air Power." But if there's a single solitary element of truth to anything Moore says, then I feel that it is sadly delusional to dismiss it as "fictional." YOu can disagree with his conclusions but not the information he used to come to those conclusions.

 

[pisco]

Let me preface my comments by saying that I am not a Republic or a Bush supporter. That being said, I am also not a fan of Michael Moore. One of the major pillars of his attacks on Bush is that he allow members of the bin Laden family to fly out of the country while all commercial air traffic was grounded. It is true that the flight happened, but it is also well established that Bush had no knowledge of the flight whatsoever. Another noted "Bush basher", Richard Clark, has claimed sole responsibilty for approving the flight.

Moore not only left this incorrect assertion in the film, but I have heard him repeat this lie several times while promoting the film. This alone casts serious doubt on Moore's credibility and the truthfulness of his film. I am sure that not everything in the film is untrue, but I am certain that the film does contain some, if not many, outright lies.

This guy is at best an intellectual lightweight and at worst somone who will lie repeatedly to acheive his stated objective. That objective is to ensure the Bush is not reelected in November. Not a source to be trusted or quoted in my opinion.

 

[CaptainMichael]

There are 3 reasons why I will not see this movie:
1) I value the money that I work hard for too much.
2) I will not support Michael Moore.
3) I would not be able to control my temper while watching it.

"Facts about how we went to war with Iraq based on the belief that there were WMD without any credible evidence, and how the "liberal" media never collectively asked to see the evidence (our president told us there were WMD and that was good enough for us)."

There were WMD's, things can magically "disappear" when given time. The UN provided Iraq plenty of time to make them no longer exist. Everyone believed that there were WMD's, they just didn't believe force was the answer. More diplomacy was what we needed. Well, let me say diplomacy does not always work. Sometimes actions speak louder than words. America sent out a message that we no longer tolerate terrorism and that message is being recieved. Look, Libya turned over their weapons. Diplomacy is currently being tried with North Korea, and if it doesn't work, I'll support force against them. I don't mind what the world thinks of us as long planes don't crash into buildings killing thousands of innocent Americans and Nuclear bombs don't find their way to American soil. I could really care less what a bunch of French people think of us, if it weren't for Americans they would be speaking German.

If the president of the United States of America feels that we are in danger, I believe him and support him. I support my troops,that to this day continue to give up their lives for my safety and the freedom of millions of Iraqis.

God bless President George W. Bush, the United States Military, Tony Blair, the British Military, and all of our allies!! :sohappy:

 

[imagineer99]

STOP! PLEASE! STOP! DO NOT CONTINUE!

POLITICS DO NOT BELONG HERE! DISCUSS THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE!

 

[Wilt Dasney]

To address the original question here: I wouldn't be thrilled to see Eisner get the boot because of his decision not to distribute this movie (something which will not happen, of course, but since that was the stated question, I'll play along).

I disagree with a lot of the things which have happened within the company under Eisner's watch, but I agree with his decision to stay away from Moore's film. If Eisner got the boot for making what I see as a right decision (after surviving what I see as several not-so-right ones)...it would be a bit like watching a guy I know had been stealing from the company for years get fired over showing up late one day because he stopped to help an old lady change a tire. I might not be sad to see him go, but I would feel for him and wish he had been let go for different reasons.

Like I said, there's no way Eisner is going to be voted out over this movie, but that's what the question made me think of.

 

[MKBurn15]

I disagree with a lot of the things which have happened within the company under Eisner's watch, but I agree with his decision to stay away from Moore's film. If Eisner got the boot for making what I see as a right decision (after surviving what I see as several not-so-right ones)...it would be a bit like watching a guy I know had been stealing from the company for years get fired over showing up late one day because he stopped to help an old lady change a tire. I might not be sad to see him go, but I would feel for him and wish he had been let go for different reasons.

Like I said, there's no way Eisner is going to be voted out over this movie, but that's what the question made me think of.

That's a very good point. To take the topic away from F9/11, wasn't Eisner already having some other problems with his position as CEO this year according to this site?

 

[MKBurn15]

There are 3 reasons why I will not see this movie:
1) I value the money that I work hard for too much.
2) I will not support Michael Moore.
3) I would not be able to control my temper while watching it.

I did see it, but here is another reason.
4)THERE ARE NO PREVIEWs!

 

[MagicalMonorail]

Um, I didn't mention him, but since you did...all I have to say, is that the President in F9/11 wasn't audio-animatronic...that really was him.

AEfx

And your point is.......?

 

[MagicalMonorail]

I did see it, but here is another reason.
4)THERE ARE NO PREVIEWs!

When I saw the movie, there were several previews. Most of them were documentaries, but they were previews alright.

 

[MKBurn15]

When I saw the movie, there were several previews. Most of them were documentaries, but they were previews alright.

Oh. Well the only thing before ours was BobQuits. Something to do with the theater probably.

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

STOP! PLEASE! STOP! DO NOT CONTINUE!

It is not enough. We need Grizz's special avatar. :lol:

 

[slappy magoo]

I will forgo any more political discussion on this board. Besides, I made my point. People shouldn't pass judgment on a movie they haven't seen. It's why you don't see me bad-mouthing Flight of the Navigator. I don't think I'd enjoy it, but I won't say it's horrible. Because I haven't seen it. And thus, all roads lead back to Disney.