Backward Preceptions

WDWfan2209

WDWfan2209

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As all of you have probably have read, on Expedition Everest the trains will come to a point in the ride where they will go backwards. Is this really true??? Before you say anything let me explain, In The Imagineering Way (abook about Imagineers, by Imagineers) In the book there is a chapter called Backward Preceptions. It talks about the Indian Jones ride at Disneyland. It says that in one part of the ride you supposedly go backwards. No, Everything but you moves. The walls the cieling, the works. Which brings me to my question, Will we really go backwards on Expedition Everest???
 
surfsupdon

surfsupdon

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So if the train goes backwards, it must be some kind of a different or new ride syestem. If a train travels forward and backwards on a track, there can only be one train on that track. However, we know Disney could NEVER do this b/c the ride would have some of the lowest ride capacities which would in turn create some of the longest lines. Therefore, the train must go backwards on a separate piece of track somehow, which is what I am most curious about. Anyone have any ideas?? Please share.
 
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Donfan

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Yes. And that new ride in DAK at Chester and Hester's has a section where you go backwards, also. Maybe they are thinking about some way of switching a coaster onto another track to go backwards so that you don't waste time on the forward moving track.
 
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Donfan

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It's called Primeval Whirl. The cars rotate so that there are sections when you are travelling backward. A lot has to do with timing, so they probably don't always go backward. There is one drop that is kind of interesting. A lot of the cars seem to hit it going backward. I doubt that a train-style roller coaster could do this. It would have to be more like it is done in Maelstrom, as noted above. But it could be done with a coaster. My illustration was to point out that there are places in WDW where they already have backward moving rides.
 
s25843

s25843

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Originally posted by Donfan
It's called Primeval Whirl. The cars rotate so that there are sections when you are travelling backward. A lot has to do with timing, so they probably don't always go backward. There is one drop that is kind of interesting. A lot of the cars seem to hit it going backward. I doubt that a train-style roller coaster could do this. It would have to be more like it is done in Maelstrom, as noted above. But it could be done with a coaster. My illustration was to point out that there are places in WDW where they already have backward moving rides.
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PW's Spinning is controlled by a Seperate Peice of Track which spins it at Pre-Determined positions, but thats for another thread..... EE could possibly be a Complete circuit coster (Its not a dead end, it leaves the station from one end returns at the other end) and just have a switching track somewhere, which would basically just spin the car backwards at some point during the ride
 
Defend10

Defend10

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Originally posted by s25843
PW's Spinning is controlled by a Seperate Peice of Track which spins it at Pre-Determined positions, but thats for another thread..... EE could possibly be a Complete circuit coster (Its not a dead end, it leaves the station from one end returns at the other end) and just have a switching track somewhere, which would basically just spin the car backwards at some point during the ride
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PW's spinning is not pre-determined. It varies well with weight distribution, pure luck, and any other number of variables. The only control system it has on the track is essentially an on/off switch for the spinning, which turns on mid ride, and off while in the station.

The only rides that run a third-rail system as you describe are some of the people-movers (ala SSE and HM) and the vastly overrated X at Six Flags Magic Mountain in Valencia, CA.

There are many ways to turn a coaster train backwards, most likely it will utilize either a system similar to maelstrom, or even more likely, a simple piece of track moving back and forth, similar to the junctions on a train track.

-Matthew
 
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JLW11Hi

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Originally posted by Defend10
PW's spinning is not pre-determined. It varies well with weight distribution, pure luck, and any other number of variables.
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You sure about that? The spinning seemed pretty controlled when I rode it. I assumed that they just made the ride seem as if the spinning varied, as an average carnival-type spinning ride would do, but in actuallity had it pre-determined to give the riders the same scenario each time ( so they would be guaranteed to go down a few slopes both backwards and forwards)
 
ISTCrew20

ISTCrew20

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Originally posted by JLW11Hi
You sure about that? The spinning seemed pretty controlled when I rode it. I assumed that they just made the ride seem as if the spinning varied, as an average carnival-type spinning ride would do, but in actuallity had it pre-determined to give the riders the same scenario each time ( so they would be guaranteed to go down a few slopes both backwards and forwards)
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Im sure about that...I have been on PW so many times, and yes, it has been different from others....It very well is a weight issue...My friend and I spun alot faster, and more times, when we sat with two 6 year old kids, then from when we sat with adults
 
AndyP

AndyP

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Originally posted by JLW11Hi
You sure about that? The spinning seemed pretty controlled when I rode it. I assumed that they just made the ride seem as if the spinning varied, as an average carnival-type spinning ride would do, but in actuallity had it pre-determined to give the riders the same scenario each time ( so they would be guaranteed to go down a few slopes both backwards and forwards)
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PW isn't pre-determined. When i was last at AK, we went on PW about 20 mins before park closing, there was no queue, so we kept going on, riding about 5-6 times. The spinning was different. The only way PW could be pre-termined would be for it to have many different cycles and then they are set to random or run in a cycle, but i don't think so. There is no need for this, with the design of the track you're more than likely to go down at least on drop forwards and one backwards.

As for Everest, a track change system sounds like something that could break down :S. I don't know whether this is possible, but perphaps on the train there could be individual sections which at a certain time turn round and lock into position and then the ride continues. Basically, this would mean the coaster continues in the same way but the riders are facing the other direction. Don't know whether this could be done or not, just an idea popped into my mind, lol.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Do you all remember in the official press release from disney about how at the top of the mountain, the track ends in a mangled pile of steel? That is where you switch tracks and head backwards. It's not all that high tech, as it just involves a switch-back to make the trains switch tracks. Any roller coaster that utilizes two side-by-side stations, like Big Thunder or Cali Screamin, utilize these switchbacks. Imagine if you exited Big Thunder from the left station, move to where the two tracks merge, stopped, and headed backwards after the switchback ended, and you'd end up moving backwards into the right station. That is the way this ride will work, and the two switchback sections will provide a slowdown for some nice show scenes...I would imagine the run-in w/ the huge Yeti will occur at the 2nd switchback, so guests can get really close to the creature and get a good glimpse.
 
ogryn

ogryn

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From the description I read somewhere (posibly JHM), it said that when you reach the top camp and are taking in the carnage that the yeti has cause, the trains wheels will start loosing traction, and you start to roll backwards into the mountain.

This suggests, that you get to the top, and get held on brakes. While you are distracted by the devestation, points will change behind you, and the brakes will slowly let you go.

EDIT: ISTCNavigator57, great minds think alike eh, just you can type faster! :)
 
Yen_Sid1

Yen_Sid1

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Basically it is going to be a cross between Big Thunder and Maelstrom. The trains will look similar to Big Thunder. With the show elements similar to the Matterhorn.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Originally posted by Yen_Sid1
Basically it is going to be a cross between Big Thunder and Maelstrom. The trains will look similar to Big Thunder. With the show elements similar to the Matterhorn.
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Only MUCH more intense...this will be a VERY intense thrill ride...imagine driving backwards through a blizzard around hairpin turns at 50 mph through claustrophobic caverns in a convertible (i.e. no roof).
 
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pyschotropic

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This ride is supposedly going to be very well themed I wonder if they will actually produce a blizzard in the attraction I do remeber hearing in a press release an Imagineer saying that this ride will be cold and thrilling kinda sounds like a menu description of a frozen margarita. :hammer:
 

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