Backward Preceptions

cookiee_munster

cookiee_munster

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Depending on the theme, they will prob use a chain hill. But maybe they will suprise us .
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yeah i imagine that too because of the theme (old/decayed style etc)

as for this switch back thing, i imagine that your idea CEO will be used :) one idea i had was that you come upto that section of the twisted metal and right upto the track you get your first encounter with the yetti. then your car rolls back (in the other direction) quite slowly with the yetti following, only upto a few feet though (that would be soo cool) and then you roll back quicker so fast the yetti cant keep up :)
 
The_CEO

The_CEO

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Remember guys, switching the Switchback will be less than a second. You guys know how Big Thunder's stations work? Just like that. Easiest and quickest way for a switchback.


Also, Cable lift wouldnt work on this one actually. Like Kyle stated it would take awhile for it to travel back. Only one train can be on the hill at once with a Cable Lift.
 
Yen_Sid1

Yen_Sid1

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EE is going to be a Vekoma coaster. I think the track switches will far apart, so the train will travel quite a distance backward and fast also. Probably the first track switch will be the twisted metal of the tracks, then reverse directions and end up by the Yeti and as he tries to grab the train the train will go forward again.
 
Defend10

Defend10

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Originally posted by The_CEO
Transport Wheels are a possiblity. Although anything can be stopped with the right sensor placement. It being disney, I belive they will go with the ole' fashion Chain Lift.

LIMS on Screamin are hearable.

Impulse coasters, ie. Intamin AG use a specific LIM system thats very 'Screamy'. You can hear it from far away. California Screamin was built by Intamin AG and man does it scream.

Now Vekoma also produces LIM Coasters, hence, RnR.

Those are silent, as you only hear the coaster run. I do belive the coaster has to become attached to a ' pully' system and get pulled on all Vekoma launches. As its not a direct launch.

But Screamin and all I.A.G. coasters are direct contact.

Again the question comes down to what will Everest use. Like you stated above, MF did have a cable failure. Can't try to cover that one lol.

Depending on the theme, they will prob use a chain hill. But maybe they will suprise us :).
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With screamin', I was talking about the second lift. Which, while a little jerky due to the spread apart LIMs, is silent as far as I remember (rode earlier this year).

yeah, I would be surprised to see anything but a chain lift. I would say the second most viable option would probably be the tire-drive system, but I have trouble seeing even that, as tire-drive systems have to close in the rain.

And on MF, all cable systems have trouble at one time or another, the failures are expected from the start. However, MF did have a few early ones, which tends to be bad news. Most often, if a cable doesn't break within the first few months, it'll last quite a while. It's either one way or the other LOL

-Matthew, looking VERY forward to riding EE
 
ogryn

ogryn

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I think anything else than the whir of a chain, and the clanks of anti-rollbacks would spoil it for me.

They just add to the anticipation
 
The_CEO

The_CEO

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Originally posted by ogryn
I think anything else than the whir of a chain, and the clanks of anti-rollbacks would spoil it for me.

They just add to the anticipation
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You aren't just going up the hill, alot of things will be happening around you. So you wont even notice it.
 
J

JRead

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"You aren't just going up the hill, alot of things will be happening around you. So you wont even notice it." -- The_CEO


How do we know that the major show elements will happen on the way up the hill and not at some flat section at the top (makes more sense and would be infinitely safer). Also as for not being able to notice it, the loud lift hills on BTMRR happen with lots of show elements around and are highly effective.
 
The_CEO

The_CEO

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The railway will go through a temple.. Check the concept art guys.


Somthing will happen. It isnt a saftey issue at all.
 
J

JRead

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"The railway will go through a temple.. Check the concept art guys.


Somthing will happen. It isnt a saftey issue at all." -- the_CEO


That really doesn't answer any of my questions, I've seen the concept art and it doesn't show much of anything except a giant mountain. People are debating the lift mechanism as if the switchback happens while the train is on it, what is there to say it does? And if it does indeed do there is a legitimate debate as to which mechanism is safer.
 
s25843

s25843

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Originally posted by JRead
"The railway will go through a temple.. Check the concept art guys.


Somthing will happen. It isnt a saftey issue at all." -- the_CEO


That really doesn't answer any of my questions, I've seen the concept art and it doesn't show much of anything except a giant mountain. People are debating the lift mechanism as if the switchback happens while the train is on it, what is there to say it does? And if it does indeed do there is a legitimate debate as to which mechanism is safer.
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He Does have a point, the only concept art they have released is only stuff on the outside, whose to say whats on the inside
 
F

Florida Man

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Originally posted by ogryn
I think anything else than the whir of a chain, and the clanks of anti-rollbacks would spoil it for me.

They just add to the anticipation
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Why is everybody talking about "anti-rollbacks" when, if you guys are right and it is a switchback, you are suppose to "rollback". Don't worry about the sound because there will be none if, supposly, you are to roll back.

And, o yea, I think it's quite possible for the switch back to happen in time for the rails to switch.

-Just my 2 cents-
 
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ogryn

ogryn

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Originally posted by DISNEYRULES!!!
Why is everybody talking about "anti-rollbacks" when, if you guys are right and it is a switchback, you are suppose to "rollback". Don't worry about the sound because there will be none if, supposly, you are to roll back.

And, o yea, I think it's quite possible for the switch back to happen in time for the rails to switch.

-Just my 2 cents-
Kyle
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I don't mean at the top, I mean generally going up... seeings that the topic had drifted into how the train was going to get up the hill (cable/chain).

And I hope their will be at least a little screeching noise when you rollback (or loose traction as was reported).
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Originally posted by Defend10
With screamin', I was talking about the second lift. Which, while a little jerky due to the spread apart LIMs, is silent as far as I remember (rode earlier this year).

yeah, I would be surprised to see anything but a chain lift. I would say the second most viable option would probably be the tire-drive system, but I have trouble seeing even that, as tire-drive systems have to close in the rain.
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The 2nd lift hill is definitely NOT silent. Watch any on-ride videos--you can easily hear the screaming noise.

The CEO wasn't saying the switchback would happen in the temple; he was saying "stuff" will happen in the temple--most likely high-tech and very kewl. That being the case, it would make sense to have a ride system that allows for the train to stop seamlessly here for a show scene. Chain lifts would have some trouble starting and stopping like this, LIMs scream, but a kewl cable lift would allow for some added dimensions, like allowing the train to go backwards, too. I don't mean to say this is where the switchback would take place, but you could certainly do things on a lift hill you don't normally do...kinda like an elevator moving horizontally? :lookaroun This is a $100,000,000 project...coasters aren't usually very expensive (certainly no more than $20-25 million), so they are building a lot of high-tech stuff for this ride...anything is a possibility
 
imagineer99

imagineer99

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Originally posted by ISTCNavigator57
This is a $100,000,000 project...coasters aren't usually very expensive (certainly no more than $20-25 million), so they are building a lot of high-tech stuff for this ride...anything is a possibility
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I would think that the majority of the ride's budget would go into building the mountain and theming. That's got to cost at least $75 million.
 
J

JRead

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"That being the case, it would make sense to have a ride system that allows for the train to stop seamlessly here for a show scene. Chain lifts would have some trouble starting and stopping like this, LIMs scream, but a kewl cable lift would allow for some added dimensions, like allowing the train to go backwards, too." -- ISTCNavigator57

But the ride system doesn't matter if the stopping does not happen on the lift hill. Am I the only one who thinks that show elements whould happen on a section of track with brakes, as in train moves along slowly through the mountain, brakes, then show elements while the switchback takes place (the usual something goes wrong) and then you are trust backward. What I was asking CEO (and was not able to get an answer about) is why he and others are assuming you go backwards down the lift hill. By doing it that way you expose the ride system to a lot of potential failures (eg power loss as switchback is taking place, LIMs release and Disney has a problem).
 

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