Backlash against Kathleen Kennedy and Star Wars in general

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Premium Member
Let's sum it up this way. Having Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, and Carrie Fisher available for Episode 7....and failing to reunite them on screen - will go down as one of the biggest pop culture blunders.....since Yoko Ono broke up the Beatles.

Disney (And Kathleen Kennedy) has completely mismanaged this franchise.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Let's sum it up this way. Having Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, and Carrie Fisher available for Episode 7....and failing to reunite them on screen - will go down as one of the biggest pop culture blunders.....since Yoko Ono broke up the Beatles.

Disney (And Kathleen Kennedy) has completely mismanaged this franchise.

They did 3 episodes together. That’s probably enough.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Premium Member
So we have 2 possibilities

1. Numbers are down because of some type of boycott
2. Numbers are down because people didn't want to watch the movie.

The indisputable fact is that the numbers are down. Attributing the cause for that? - take your pick. Neither is an appealing scenario for Disney.
 

Gitson Shiggles

There was me, that is Mickey, and my three droogs
So we have 2 possibilities

1. Numbers are down because of some type of boycott
2. Numbers are down because people didn't want to watch the movie.

The indisputable fact is that the numbers are down. Attributing the cause for that? - take your pick. Neither is an appealing scenario for Disney.

#2 Disney didn’t market this movie properly to where enough people felt they had to see it in theatres.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Premium Member
#2 Disney didn’t market this movie properly to where enough people felt they had to see it in theatres.

I agree. Marketing was abysmal. Was in the parks the week before opening. Limited merchandising. No buzz.

The only talk about this movie pre-release was about the original directors being canned and how Ehrenreich couldn't pull off Han. I thought Ehrenreich did okay. Not great..but certainly not terrible.
 

Prince-1

Well-Known Member
Anyone who thinks that there is a boycott against Star Wars films is a complete fool. The last Jedi while a commercial success was extremely polarizing and disliked by many people and Solo was truly an average film that just didn't draw people in. If Episode Nine is well done and entertaining and if the next standalone movie is also entertaining then people will come out to see it. Simple formula is make a great movie and it will be a success.
 

LSLS

Well-Known Member
#2 Disney didn’t market this movie properly to where enough people felt they had to see it in theatres.

That's true. But it still was well below what disney expected with the amount of marketing they did, so i would think that means they completely miscalculated the importance of signs/merch/etc. If that option is the reason (Which again would fall in the lap of those in charge). It is interesting it did pretty well on Thursday, but seemed to nose dive friday (assuming what I read was true). Not sure what to read into that.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I have to say...we went and saw solo again today - rainy day and nothing to do...and it was better in my opinion.

Popcorn...kinda rigid in the flow/editing (you’d almost think it would have to be)...but not a bad 2 hour diversion.
But it was sad...because the setup doesn’t go anywhere now.

That’s on Kennedy and the whole handling of Star Wars...i’m Gonna have a hard time seeing a compelling case otherwise. It wasn’t about this movie. And i seriously doubt that late May, 2018 is “too busy” for a Star Wars.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I was someone who defended The Last Jedi when it came out -- I still think it's a good film, but it's pretty clear that it has divided the fanbase. And to be honest, similar to The Force Awakens, it really doesn't hold up as well to me on repeat viewings, and I think I've discovered why (to me at least)

Poor character development.

This started with TFA - you advertised the original trio of Luke, Han, and Leia are returning and a passing of the torch so to speak to the new generation, and...you kill Han, have Han and Leia meet for 5 mins, have Leia and Luke never actually meet, have Han and Luke never actually meet, and now Han and Luke are dead, and Carrie Fisher is gone. That reunion can never happen.

Instead too much was crammed into TFA - if Rey, Finn, and Poe are the new 'Luke Han and Leia' -- then why have they never been together until the final moments of TLJ? The trilogy is 2/3 over and the main characters barely even know each other...and we barely even know them because the films have to bounce around to Hux, to Rose, to Snoke, etc.

The only character who has been well developed, imo, is Kylo Ren...and perhaps that is why he's well-received. It's hard for Rey to have a character arc when she's instantly good instead of the hero's journey of learning.

While I liked the open -endedness of TLJ's ending, really that could have just been a coincidence of executives having no clue where they are going with this franchise, which is frightening because you are pumping out films every year...with no overarching goal.

Solo was boring to me...and I've never been bored in a Star Wars movie before. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be...it was just meh...so if the future films are just going to be pumped out like Solo has been, and the episodic films have not been developed, then perhaps Disney should slow it down...and regroup before they turn the greatest film franchise ever into the DCEU.

I honestly don’t think I’ve ever agreed with a post so much in 20 years of their existence.

As far as “bored” by solo...I can certainly see it. But do you think it’s done such an abysmal box office because of that? People didn’t go and not like it...it never went. And it’s not because they didn’t know what it is...again, this is Star Wars.
...or if the current trajectory keeps up - WAS Star Wars.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Solo isn’t going to impact the lands. I don’t really think any movie could at this point.

They can’t have Star Wars flops...all these things are tied together. The strength of Star Wars is its licensing appeal.

Having 20,000 people a day packed into Star Wars: Creativity’s Edge...is fine - but it’s not enough. This just can’t happen...Disney and the Street won’t be happy with this.

Kennedy is definitely in trouble...Iger has gotten caught flat footed a few times and now’s not the time to go down that road again.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
They can’t have Star Wars flops...all these things are tied together. The strength of Star Wars is its licensing appeal.

Having 20,000 people a day packed into Star Wars: Creativity’s Edge...is fine - but it’s not enough. This just can’t happen...Disney and the Street won’t be happy with this.

Kennedy is definitely in trouble...Iger has gotten caught flat footed a few times and now’s not the time to go down that road again.

They may not be happy with Solo, but again, it won’t impact the lands. The product is the land and the demand for it exists with a successful or unsuccessful solo.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Kennedy is no newbie. You guys keep acting like she’s the new head coach who has a losing record and the owner is going to cut her.

She’s nearly as big as Spielberg. She’s been right there through amblin to a resume that is impeccable. Maybe she gets more direction fed to them... but push her out?? You cut Michael Jordan because he doesn’t get a Triple double ever night??
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
They may not be happy with Solo, but again, it won’t impact the lands. The product is the land and the demand for it exists with a successful or unsuccessful solo.

A land is just a land. Very important to the parks...errr...I mean “products” division...

But much bigger game going on outside that...there is the actual product...whatever they call that now.

No...the land is not really affected. But the chessboard has a lot of pieces on it in the grand scheme.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Kennedy is no newbie. You guys keep acting like she’s the new head coach who has a losing record and the owner is going to cut her.

She’s nearly as big as Spielberg. She’s been right there through amblin to a resume that is impeccable. Maybe she gets more direction fed to them... but push her out?? You cut Michael Jordan because he doesn’t get. Triple double ever night??

I think her problem...and I’ve thought this since she was announced...is her resume.

Between her husband, Lucas, and speilberg...she may just be an immaculately credentialed lieutenant.

There might be “too much” experience for clarity on a property like Star Wars. Maybe the leadership needs to come out from the corn beyond left field??

And...this shouldn’t be lost...Disney needs not to be in full creative control of this...there should be boundaries and distance that marvel and in particular Feige has managed to get. That’s is on done by smashing grosses. Solo is going the wrong direction down the freeway. That started with the last Johnson, all bad excuses aside.

Kennedy is not worth more than the longterm health of the property. If that’s the choice...it’s an easy one to make.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I think her problem...and I’ve thought this since she was announced...is her resume.

Between her husband, Lucas, and speilberg...she may just be an immaculately credentialed lieutenant.

Yet the people who really knew her work ,her, her history... were the ones who picked her to take care of their babies. She wasn’t hired based on blind interviews. Lucas himself was grooming her to take the business.

She didn’t fall into one or two successes and coast on her past... she kept building and climbing all along and made several switches.

That’s not the tale of a coaster... or free loader
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Original Poster
We saw Solo last night. Really enjoyed it. It was a fun adventure and the cast did a great job. I think Alden Ehrenreich did a great job as Solo. I dont see where all the criticism is coming from towards him, or the movie in general. Lots of different settings and lots time with the Falcon. I hope the low box office numbers dont prevent a second film with this cast as I would definitely want to see more, especially considering what happens near the end.

My oldest nephew (who just graduated high school) and I were talking before the movie about the low box office numbers. It was interesting to hear the viewpoint from a younger generation especially considering he (and his friends) are at that age where going to the movies in groups or on dates is very common. He said a majority of his friends just flat out did not want to see Solo because they did not like TLJ or TFA. He knows who Kathleen Kennedy is but he said most kids his age arent into the "politics" behind the scenes. I understand that he is just one kid and does not reflect the opinions of his entire age bracket. He really enjoyed it though and it was actually his second time seeing it.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Yet the people who really knew her work ,her, her history... were the ones who picked her to take care of their babies. She wasn’t hired based on blind interviews. Lucas himself was grooming her to take the business.

She didn’t fall into one or two successes and coast on her past... she kept building and climbing all along and made several switches.

That’s not the tale of a coaster... or free loader

I’m not suggesting she doesn’t deserve what she has gotten...not one bit...she’s s grizzled Hollywood vet.

But she can be great and still be the wrong person. That’s not a slight.

And you pointed out Lucas was “grooming her”...well that’s a can of worms considering the rick McCallum incident.

I also get the idea that Lucas is most disgruntled against her...there are a lot of ingredients in the soup.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
I like this meme and how insane fan reaction has been.

FIRST...
You charge the guy with ruining your childhood
Then you never let him forget it.
(There's even a documentary!)

Then he sells his company
And you're like YES. MAYBE IT'LL BE GOOD AGAIN
(But you're also like NOW MICKEY MOUSE WILL JUST RUIN IT)
(Even though you just spent 10 years complaining about how ruined it is)
(And the "It" in question is a family film series about space wizards)

So the person he handpicked to run the studio starts running it
And she starts immediately making billions with well-received films
But there's too many girls
And it doesn't feel special to you anymore
So you don't like it

And you start talking about how
The old guy should come back.
Even though he likes the movies she's making
The ones he helped create before selling
(which you were happy about.)

And now you hate the woman
(when you're not erasing her by blaming a cartoon mouse)
For not being the guy
That you chased off
For ruining your childhood

AND THEN...
She makes another movie
And gets the star of the old guys's first big success to direct
And goes way overbudget making sure THAT guy sticks to the script
(unlike the guys she first hired)
(they're ALL guys, btw)
(The guys you didn't like UNITL she fired them for not sticking to the script)

The script about the guy's guy from his first movie
(the guy who lives in his car with his dog)
The script written by a father-son team
The father who helped write all the old guy's best movies

And she releases in on the annivery that
(apparently)
defines your childhoold
And it disappoints at the box-office
And you cheer
Because she gave you what you wanted
and you threw it on the ground

So because she catered to your specific tastes
(Whatever they are right now)
And those tastes weren't rewarded
She needs to quit
And they need to bring back the old guy
The one you hated 10 years ago
for ruining your childhood.
Which is apparently
Neverending...


Basically Lucasfilm can't win.
 

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